Raders Ramblings

James Lee Rader -- 2633 Gilbert Way -- Rancho Cordova, CA 95670-3513

33^rd Issue -- Spring 2000

Rader project progress report --or more correctly task list........................... 1

Accomplishments, What is this method to accomplish so far....................... 2

The old way of publishing............................................................................ 3

On time publishing....................................................................................... 3

All records in the set..................................................................................... 3

Build a complete list.................................................................................... 3

How to Handle the results of the “all records in the set” projects................... 4

Sorted data................................................................................................. 4

What form to publish in............................................................................... 5

International research................................................................................. 5

Pittarn, Czeckia. (formerly Czechoslovakia) near Polish border..................... 5

Rotters in early Poland (Oberschlessien (Upper Silesia)............................... 5

A simple assignment..................................................................................... 6

So how would you approach this project ?.................................................... 7

From: Gernot Rotter [g.rotter@t-online.de].................................................. 7

TAUFEN/BABTISMS:.................................................................................. 8

TRAUUNGEN/WEDDINGS:....................................................................... 11

BESTATTUNGEN/BURIALS:..................................................................... 13

Rotters came from Habelschwerdt.............................................................. 14

VonROTHERT) from Osnabruck Germany or Henne Germany.................... 16

ALONZO RADER PASSES SUNDAY.......................................................... 16

Rader project progress report --or more correctly task list

I have begun taking all material of collected over the last five years and creating a genealogy database from it. I feel the need to a get more organized as I have too many projects going at once. The kinds of data I have are:

European records

American records

CD-ROM databases with millions of people in them.

data from other researchers

In my genealogy room I have 5, four drawer filing cabinets behind me. Over half of them contain genealogy data from other researchers. I have one drawer of genealogy data I collected at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City Nevada. I have genealogies of such things as:

Cenek (Vincent) Radr who came from Bohemia Czechoslovakia’s died 1929

There’s a large group of raders in “From the Blue Ridge” volume II by Kessler

Dorothy Tharpe just completed her latest book.

Roden to Labyrinth

Rider Ryder Genealogies, a three volume set by Fremont Rider

Accomplishments, What is this method to accomplish so far.

I’ve tried to get the complete set of Rader information for the 10 year period prior to 1800 in Wythe County Virginia. I discovered to my surprise that with hundreds of actual records I still can’t tell with any certainty which John Rader record belongs to which John Rader, we may never know. One thing is certain a researcher who comes in just grabs one John Rader record and applies that to his ancestors as a very low chance of getting the right record. he must do much more research to determine which John Rader is referred to. An example, there is a John Rader who was a bartender (or an ordinary as they called it in those days). It would seem logical that records pertaining to that profession which mentioned John Rader actually belong to one particular John Rader.

In the last 10 years it produced

1. the first attempt a book of over 300 pages with many Rader lines in it

2. four years later it produce a second attempt a series of five books with a total of more than 1000 pages and 20 different immigrants.

3. It produced the CD-ROM containing 10 years with the quarterly newsletters and all the research above.

4. Produced a multimedia CD-ROM containing the complete story of the Raiders of Dulaney Tennessee.

5. www.rader.org web site

6. and of course it’s created over 30 quarterly newsletters.

Of equal importance, over the 10 year period it was basically self supporting. It did not pay for the research trips to Tennessee and Pennsylvania. It did pay the cost of printing the books and newsletters and mailing them. I do not have a backlog of unsold books. There is more demand for the books and I have not chosen to print more yet. I have the luxury of deciding whether I wish to print more of the 1985 version or wait to satisfy the demand with a new version. The next paragraph will show you why I feel this way.

The old way of publishing

The genealogist of the past has worked hard getting bound book printed. The printing industry operates on a fixed cost basis and other words with the you publish 100 copies or 500 copies your total cost will be pretty much the same. If you print the larger number you will probably find yourself with half of them unsold. But more importantly that inventory of books will prevent you from doing further research. Why would you make your own book obsolete when you have a garage full of them to sell?

On time publishing

My method of approaching a the publishing of genealogy is to print in small quantities at the local Xerox facility. Only print a few, three to five copies and only print them when you have orders for them. The problem with this approach is the actual cost per copy is considerably higher. A 200 page book done through a publisher will create a book for less than $10 per copy. The Xerox for in the that book will depend on the rate you can get for copying which is generally 5¢ per page or more. So 200 pages at 5¢ comes to $10 and in the cover has to purchased separately. Softbound covers cost a few dollars and hardbound covers $20 or more.

All records in the set

Why do I want to collect all the Raiders and a complete record set? Because one cannot be sure without it, are you comfortable that you’ve selected the correct person from the record set. Until you’re familiar enough with the record set to know how many people could possibly fit your situation you don’t know. How many of you have come across a problem like the John Rader problem in Greene County Tennessee. There were so many John Raiders in that county, prior to the Civil war, that the local auctioneer at a estate sales would keep them apart and in the bidding process by designating them as John “son of” and mention the father’s name. If the local auctioneer needed to do that to keep the auction running smooth with what do we need to do to get to genealogy anywhere near correct? I could go on with many other examples; tombstones that look like they fit one Reubin Rader but actually fit the other, marriages between John and Mary that could fit many different John Raiders and so on. That is why think it’s necessary to get the complete set of Rader information.

Build a complete list

I’ve started many projects one of them involves the CD-ROMs which contain immigrant records. The people who work with immigrant records at length estimate that only one-third of the actual immigrants are in those records. When you examine the records for people with names like Rader you will find hundreds of them. This project has a goal to build a complete list with all documented immigrants with names sounding like Rader. I currently have three CD-ROMs which contain these types of records. There are many spots on the Internet that offer these types of records. So if you have any records of Raiders coming into this country please send me a copy so I can add them to the database. With this database we can begin to figure out who all the Raiders are in this country.

I also think we have the opportunity to create similar databases with all the Raiders who have fought in the various wars. I have one of the new Civil War CD-ROMs there are world war II , Korean and other records on line on the Internet. Of course we need to do the same thing for each of the censuses. I’ve got a copy the Clooz program which is supposed to allow us to store those types of records with ease. It doesn’t seem to be nearly as easy to use as the CD-ROMs from family tree maker. I can extract many many records straight into the family tree maker database over a few minutes. I would say with practice you can approach 100 records per hour.

How to Handle the results of the “all records in the set” projects

Suggestions are always welcome but here’s what I found works for me so far. If you place all the records in one genealogical project you can do more. Whether you use Ultimate Family Tree or Family Tree Maker or Personal Ancestral File the method will be the same. Once all the data is entered it into the database you can produce reports that will help you find the people. I say people, because you don’t really have the person in any one of the records. But, once you get a collection of records about one person it seems to humanize them.

Sorted data

I like to produce various reports which include the data that tell me who the record is about. I’ve learned from experience that last name is seldom spelled correctly in the actual records. So when I look at the record by first name those records which apply to a particular person come together. The problem is they come together with other people of the same name. To group them properly you need to include some other item of information. For example, if you produce a report which contains the first name followed by that date of birth - then you will find those records that apply to the same person. Or if you produce immigrant records by date of arrival then you will find all the members of the family who were on that one ship.

The secret of find the information with a record sets is in how you organize to the information. By reorganizing the Data based on the contents of various fields duplications become apparent. Within the programs the tool for organizing the data is called a sort key or just a key. As you view the data comparing what appear to be records about one particular person and then reorganize or sort the data it will become obvious to you when some of the records belonging to the same person. It will also become obvious to when record set you thought belong to one person actually belong to different people.

The other half of the secret is the selection of which pieces of information to look at at one time. Like my example above with immigrant records the that data available in those records is different than the data you would find it in a birth record. But sometimes the age is given in the immigration record and with a each you can compute the birth date. Once you have the birth date then you can compare the immigration records with the birth records. Census records have the same capability and those census years where they ask the age of the person.

My current database contains 20,000 individuals by the time my input the rest of the data I have I expect to double that. I have already experienced the cases where the same family was placed on more than one immigrants family tree!

What form to publish in

A question I have for you, once we have all this data together in one place how would you like to get your copy or your part. I assume that you only want your relatives and as you do not want all the unrelated Raiders. The previous five books I published are by region of the country. The thought there was that it would make easier for you to sort out your family from the rest if you had all of the Raiders in your area. Would you like the next set of data to come in that same form or would you prefer to have booklets with the descendants of each immigrant. Let me know your wishes, with some hard work and good luck we will be facing that decision point in the next year so.

International research

Now down to the Rader families from outside the United states. you’ll see elsewhere in this newsletter comments from Gernot Rotter who is researching his line in Europe. He conveniently lives there has just returned from research trip. In past newsletters we have had submissions from all over the world. There are large populations of Rader in South America, Australia and probably even in the African continent. Do you have contacts in those places, have you seen any genealogies covering those places, is you have share them with us. Gernot has supplied two genealogies of the families in Europe. My cousin Charles Rader is going to translate those for us because they are in German.

In summary I hope to see a lot of progress in the project over the next couple of years. But being a new retiree it made take decades. Your help and feedback is much appreciated. What would you like to see in the project?

Pittarn, Czeckia. (formerly Czechoslovakia) near Polish border

Rotters in early Poland (Oberschlessien (Upper Silesia)

Hallo Jim,

1. Prudnik (formerly German "Neustadt")

2. Raciborz (formerly German "Ratibor")

3. "Gosieci" is wrong. Correctly it is Goscieci (former German "Kostenthal"), a small village east of Prudnik and south of Opole ("Oppeln").

Did I mention that I got a list of of Rotter/Rother living in Breslau (today: Wroclaw in Poland) in 1941: 31 (!) Rotter and 498 (!!) Rother? There must have been many more since these are mentioned in the official phone directory of that year, but at that time most of the people didn't have a phone yet! That there were many more Rother than Rotter supports my observation that north of a line going from the West (let's say Frankfurt/Main) to the East (further along the today Czeck-Polish border) the spelling of Rother was familiar while soth of that line Rotter was much more common. Gernot

Jim Rader schrieb:

Gernot said to look in three cities in Poland. In order to do it properly I need to be sure which province and county they are in. Do I have the first two correct ? Do you know what the third is ?

1. Prudnik , Powiat (County) of Prudnik , Opole Province, Poland

2. Raciborz, Powiat (County) of Raciborz, Slaskie Province , Poland

3. Goscieci (former German "Kostenthal"), a small village east of Prudnik and south of Opole ("Oppeln").

Thanks again for your help Jim Rader,

Hallo Reinhard and Jim,

About ten days ago I came back from my trip to the state-archive at Troppau (now Opava) - and find my whole mail system broken down totally. I lost all addresses as well as hundreds of mails. So, it took me some time to get organized again. In case you sent me a mail in the last three weeks, please, just do it again. -

My trip was extraordinary successful. People were very nice and helpful at the archive as well as elsewhere. Of course I started with the oldest parish books of Pittarn (now Pitarne, where my up to now oldest ancestor Friedrich was born in 1708), which begin in 1651. Since I found about 180 entries for Rotter from 1651 to 1708, I'm glad to have finished at least this period within six hard working days.

Inspite of this rich material I couldn't trace Friedrich and his parents Hans and Anna further back and I guess that they came from a neighboring parish to Pittarn after getting married.

In July and August I'll go there again with my family for holidays and, surely, I'll be working in the archive again next spring. Hoping that you both and your families are well off

Yours Gernot

A simple assignment

The following pages contain records from one set of church books. They all apply to people with the surname of "Rotter". There is a list of hundred and 110 baptisms, another list of 38 marriages followed by a list of 29 deaths. Your assignment is to figure out which people belong to which family.

The project is complicated somewhat in this includes some German words. But don't worry you see on the first page there's a translation of what most of those words mean. Another complication is this records are from four tiny villages which make up one parish. You see which village the person is from noted after his name.

Another problem is a problem that you will see everywhere you get a complete set of records, there are many people with the same first name. You'll even see that they also have the same middle initial.

This is not a fictitious list this come from an e-mail which I received this week. The person who sent it to me just spent some time in the actual archives in Pittarn, Czeckia. Which is part of the four former country Czechoslovakia's, yet that's right this is a place for this will to war going on right now.

So how would you approach this project ?

From: Gernot Rotter [g.rotter@t-online.de]

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:59 PM

To: jim@rader.org Subject: Rotter

Hallo Jim,

here is the list of all the Rotters (at one place clearly written Rutter) I

found in the parish registers of Pittarn starting in 1651 up to abt. 1700. The

parish of Pittarn (abbr. Pit; today Pitarne) consisted of four tiny villages:

Pittarn, Maidelberg (Maid; Divci Hrad), Zottig (Zot; Sadek) and Glemkau

(Glem; Hlinka).

Explanation of some German words (mostly not in use any more):

Jünger (abbr. Jüng.): the younger one

Scholze: village mayor

Gärtler or Gärtner: owner of a garden, who generally worked as a hired man

Bauer: farmer

Richter: judge

Älter: the elder one

verstorben (verst.): deceased

Thorhüter: doorkeeper

Hausgenosz: somebody who didn't even have an own hut, but was living with an

other family

aus: from

Wittwer, Witwer (Wit.): widower

Sohn von: son of

Wittwe (Wit): widow

Hauswirtin: wife

ehelich (ehel.): born in wedlock

Tochter: daughter

Töchterlein: little daughter

Söhnlein: little son

Weib: wife

Kind: child

namens: named, called

Ehewirtin: wife

If you have any more questions, please, ask me. And, please, keep in mind that these early parish books are partially written in hardly readable handwritings in old German or in Latin. So, there may be some mistakes in my descipherings. There really are not any more dates than I mentioned. Therefore its a puzzle to reconstruct the different families. Partly I was successful in doing that (so I think) but there remain some persons unconnected to any others.

On perpose I didn't send you my reconstruction trials but am very eager to see yours to compare them with mine.

Sincerely Gernot

TAUFEN/BABTISMS:

Kind/Child: Datum/Date: Vater/Father: Mutter/Mother: Ort/Place:

1. Ursula 6 Aug 1651 Jonas R. Jüng.Scholze Ursula Zottig

2. Jonas 3 Nov 1654 Hans Rutter (sic) Anna Glemkau

3. Michael 13 Feb 1656 Hans R. Anna Zottig

4. Stefan 29 Jul 1657 Hans R. Anna Glemkau

5. Georg 2 Mar 1660 Hans R. Anna Glemkau

6. Johann 10 Sp 1660 Hans R. Maria Glemkau

7. Georg 24 Apr 1663 Hans R. Gärtler Maria Glemkau

8. Ursula 15 Jun 1663 Hans R. Bauer Anna Glemkau

9. Georg 15 Jan 1665 Zacharias R. Anna Zottig

10. Elisabeth 26 Jul 1665 Georg R. Richter Anna Catharina Zottig

11. Christoff 3 Jan 1666 Hans R. Anna Glemkau

12. Michael 18. Apr 1667 Hans R. Maria Glemkau

13. Anna Cat. 5. Apr 1668 Georg R. Richter Anna Catharina Zottig

14. Anna 24 Aug 1668 Hans R. Bauer Anna Glemkau

15. Hans 12 Jan 1669 Martin R. Anna Glemkau

16. Rosina 9 Nov 1669 Hans R. Gärtner Maria Glemkau

17. Jonas 17 Aug 1670 Hans R. Jünger Eva Glemkau

18. Maria 7 Dec 1670 Georg R. Richter Anna Catharina Zottig

19. Johannes 8 Okt 1671 Zacharias R. Anna Zottig

20. Gottfried 24 Dec 1671 Michael R. Hedwig Glemkau

21. Maria 28 Mär 1672 Hans R. Jünger Eva Glemkau

22. Maria 3. Mai 1672 Hans R. Älter Anna Glemkau

23. Georg 7 Aug 1672 Martin R. Anna Glemkau

24. Michael 23 Jul 1673 Michael R. Hedwig Glemkau

25. Johannes 24 Jan 1674 Georg R. Richter Anna Catharina Zottig

26. Georg 1 Jun 1674 Hans R. Jünger Bauer Eva Glemkau

27. Matheus 21 Sep 1674 Hans R. Gärtner Maria Glemkau

28. Maria 18 Mär 1675 Zacharias R. Anna Zottig

29. Daniel 14 Okt 1675 Hans R. Susanna Maidelberg

30. Rosina 30 Mär 1676 Hans R. (+) Anna Glemkau

31. Johannes 27 Jan 1677 Hans R. Eva Glemkau

32. Jonas (?) 1 Okt 1677 Hans R. Maria Glemkau

33. Elisabeth 20 Okt 1677 Michael R. Hedwig Glemkau

34. Susanna 31 Dez 1677 Georg R. Anna Catharina Zottig

35. Jonas (?) 3. Juli 1678 Martin R Anna Glemkau

36. Georg 5. Feb 1679 Jonaß R. Christina Glemkau

37. Eva 15 Mär 1679 Hans R. Eva Glemkau

38. Jonas 29 Jun1679 Zachrias R. Anna Zottig

39. Gottfried 27 Okt 1681 Georg R. Anna Catharina Zottig

40. Johannes 23 Feb 1682 Hans R. Rosina Zottig

41. Johannes 29 Jul 1683 Jonas R. Jünger Rosina Glemkau

42. Maria 8. Sep 1683 Jonas Christina Glemkau

43. Georg 21 Apr 1684 Georg Anna Catherina Zottig

44. Elisabeth 12 Jun 1684 Hans Anna Glemkau

45. Thomas 18 Nov 1684 Jonas Rosina Glemkau

46. Frantz 5 Mai 1685 Hans Rosina Zottig

47. Joannes 14 Jan 1686 Georg Rosina Pittarn

48. Heinrich 11 Feb 1686 Georg R. Bauer Anna Catharina Zottig

49. Johannes 1 Sep 1686 Hans R. Anna Zottig

50. Marianna 25 Sep 1687 Hans R. Älter Rosina Zottig

51. Georg(??) 27 Okt 1687 Hans Anna Glemkau

52. Jonas 15 Feb 1688 Jonas Eva Glemkau

53. Maria 25 Mär 1688 Georg Rosina Glemkau

54. Rosina 6 Mai 1688 Georg Rosina Pittarn

55. Maria 24 Mai 1689 Hans Anna Zottig

56. Johannes ?.?...1689 Jonas Christina Glemkau

57. Anna 10 Feb 1690 Georg Rosina Pittarn

58. Joannes 28 Sep 1690 Joannes Anna Pittarn

59. ??? 19 Okt 1690 Georg Rosina Maidelberg

60. Maria 8 Dez 1690 Georg Eva Zottig

61. Joannes 15 Feb 1691 Jonas Rosina Glemkau

62. Rosina 27 Sep 1691 Joannes Anna Maidelberg

63. Georg 20 Jan 1692 Georg Rosina Pittarn

64. Rosina 22. Feb 1694 Jonas Rosina Glemkau

65. Mathes 1 Mär 1694 Hans Anna Maid./Gle.

66. Eva 7 Mai 1694 Georg Eva Glemkau

67. Jacob 25 Jul 1695 Georg Rosina Glemkau

68. Godtfrid 25 Aug 1694 Hans Rosina Zottig

69. Elisa 27 Sep 1694 Georg Rosina Pittarn

70. Elisabeth(twins) 6 Jan 1695 Hans Anna Maidelberg

71. Anna

72. Jonas 15 Jun 1695 Hans Anna Pittarn

73. Johannes 20 Nov 1695 Michael Rosina Glemkau

74. Rosina 25 Feb 1696 Christoph Justina Glemkau

75. Jonas 4 Okt 1696 Jonas Christina Glemkau

76. Daniel 3 Apr 1697 Georg Rosina Pittarn

77. Rosina 3 Nov 1697 Hans Elisabeth Glemkau

78. Daniel 7 Nov 1697 Hans Anna Pittarn

79. Georg 17 Nov 1697 Georg Eva Glemkau

80. Maria 25 Mär 1698 Mattheß(sic) Maria Glemkau

81. Rosina 6 Apr 1698 Georg Rosina Glemkau

82. Eva 24 Apr 1698 Hans Anna Maidelberg

83. Christina 25 Dez 1698 Michael Rosina Glemkau

84. Hanns 12 Dez 1699 Hans (Thorhüter?) Susanna Maidelberg

85. Jonas 4 Jan 1700 Georg Rosina Pittarn

86. Georg 8 Mar 1700 Hans Elisabeth Zottig

87. Hans 3 Apr 1700 Daniel Susanna Maidelberg

88. Maria(Zwill./twins)12 Okt 1700 Christoph Justina Glemkau

89. Anna

90. Johannes 5 Nov 1700 Mattes Maria Glemkau

91. Rosina 19 Dez 1700 Hans Anna Pittarn

92. Susanna 17 Jun 1701 Hans Anna Maidelberg

93. Michael 28 Sep 1701 Georg Rosina Glemkau

94. Susanna 12 Feb 1702 Michael Elisabeth Glemkau

95. Christina 24 Apr 1702 Hanns Anna Pittarn

96. Michael 10 Sep 1702 Michael Rosina Glemkau

97. Rosina 28 Jun 1703 Daniel Susanne Zottig

98. Christhina 5 Okt 1703 Michael Elisabeth Glemkau

99. Elisabeth 8 Nov 1703 Hans Anna Pittarn

100. Jonas 17 Jan 1704 Hans Susanne Zottig

101. Joseph 11 Apr 1704 Hans Anna Maidelberg

102. Georg 8 Jun 1704 Mathes Maria Glemkau

103. Hans 7 Okt 1704 Hans Elisabeth Zottig

104. Ludwig(?) 20 Jul 1705 Hans Anna Zottig

105. Anna Maria 4 Sep 1705 Michael Rosina Glemkau

106. Georg 7 Nov 1705 Daniel Susanna Zottig

107. Hans 27 Dez 1705 Georg (Hausgenosz) Anna Zottig

108. Rosina 25 Sep 1707 Hans Susanna Zottig

109. Elisabeth 24 Nov 1707 Georg Rosina Glemkau

110. Friedrich 6 Feb 1708 Hans Anna Pittarn

Bis hierher durchgesehen/Read up to here

TRAUUNGEN/WEDDINGS:

Gatte/Spouse: Gattin/Wife: Eltern/Parents: Datum/Ort:

1. Hans ROTTER Maria Michael Mößner 9 Feb 1659/Glem.

2. Zacharias ROTTER Anna Vesser(?) 27 Nov 1663/Zot.

3. Georg ROTTER Erbrichter(Zot) Anna Cath. Hans Hoffmann (Maid) 9Nov1664/Zot

4. Martin ROTTER Anna Georg Schüller(+)13 Nov1667/Glem

5. Hans Georg ROTTER Eva Hans Pfulig(?)(+)20 Nov 1669/?

6. Georg Höller (Zottig) Eva Jonas ROTTER(+)(Glem) 1 Feb 1671

7. Michael ROTTER (Glem) Hedwig(Wit) Georg Pferling(?) 10 Mai 1671

8. Hans ROTTER Susanna Mathes Kaisefr (Maid)29 Nov 1674

9. Hans ROTTER (Wit)(Glem) Rosina Kuba Mathka(?) 22 Jul 1681

10. Hans ROTTER Anna Georg Hancke (+)14 Sep 1681

11. Jonas ROTTER(Glem) Rosina Martin Pf(Sch?)erling(Maid) 16Nov 1681

12. Georg ROTTER., Sohn von Rosina Georg Heissig's(+) 18Feb1685/Glem

Georg R.(+) (Glemkau) Witwe

13. Michael Sperlich, Bauer Rosina Witwe von Hans 18 Feb 1685/Glem

ROTTER (Glem)

14. Jonas Schiller, Schuster (Glem) ??? Hans ROTTER(+)??1686/Glemkau

15. Hans ROTTER, Sohn von Anna Jonas Keyllig(?) (Glem) 20 Jan 1687/Glem

Hans R (Glem)

16. Georg ROTTER, Sohn von ??? ??? 22 Jun 1687/Glem Hans R.

17. Melchior Pesche (?) (Zot) Elisabeth Georg ROTTER(Zot) 5 Jul1690/Zot

18. Martin Anders Eva Georg ROTTER aus 21 Mai 1691 Merstendorf(?)

19. Michael Mathester (?), Sohn Anna Joannes ROTTER 11 Nov 1691

von Jacob Mathesler(?) aus Glemkau

20. Christoph ROTTER Justina Möllerin 25 Jan 1695/Glem

21. Michael ROTTER(Glemk) Rosina Hümpfin(?)(Maid) 2 Feb 1695

22. Hans ROTTER Elisabeth Hankin 3 Feb 1697/Glem

23. Thomas WasserRaab(sic)(Zot)Rosina ROTTERin(Glem) 5 Mai 1697

24. Matthes ROTTER (Glem) Maria Scherligin (Glem) 9 Feb 1698

25. Hans ROTTER (Zot) (Sus)anna Matthes Schindler 12 Okt 1698 (Pittarn)

26. Georg Hanke (Witwer) Rosina ROTTERin(Glem) 12 Okt 1698

27. Hans Scholtz (Zot) Maria ROTTERin(Glem) 16 Nov 1698

28. Georg ROTTER (jüng. Hand Anna Scholtzin 23 Jan 1701/Zot schrieb "Hans" über Georg)

29. Michael ROTTER(Glem) Eva Elisabeth Schram 26 Jun 1701

30. Georg Zimmer (Zot) Rosina Witwe des Georg 27 Juli 1704ROTTER (Pit)

31. Michael Hayke (sic) Maria ROTTERin (Glem) 8 Feb 1705

32. Michael Werner Rosina ROTTERin 15 Feb 1705/Pitt

33. Jonas(? oder Tomas?) ROTTER Anna (Zusatz ?? 15 Feb 1705 (Glem) unlesbar) (Zot)

34. Hans Hellmann (Witw.)(Pit) Elisabeth ROTTERin(Glem) 26 Mai 1706

35. Michael Hoffmann(Glem) Susanne ROTTERin(Zot) 24 Nov 1706

36. Friedrich ROTTER(Zot) Anna(Pit) ?? 6 Feb 1707

37. Georg ROTTER Rosina Key... 13 Feb 1707/Glem

38. Georg Volscher(?)(Zot) Anna ROTTERin(Pit) 26 Jun 1707

Bis hierher gelesen/Read up to here

Anmerkung zu Nr. 18: Merstendorf könnte identisch sein mit Mertendorf im Landkreis Tetschen im Erzgebirge, was aber wohl zu weit westlich liegt. Das Dorf ist wohl eher jenseits der heutigen polnischen Grenze zu suchen.

Note (Nr. 18): Merstendorf could be identical with Mertendorf in the district of Tetschen in the area of the Erzgebirge, but this is very far westwards. The village, I guess, has to be looked for on the other side of the doday Polish border.

BESTATTUNGEN/BURIALS:

Verstorbener/ Zusätze/Additions: Datum/0rt: Deceased:

1. Ursula Hans Roters(sic) Hauswirtin ? Apr 1657/Zot

2. Ursula(?) Jonas Rotters ehel. Hauswirtin 3 Mär 1661/Zot

3. Anna Hans Rotters hinterlassene Tochter 1 Aug 1661/Glem

4. Kein Name (no name) Jonas Rotters Erbrichters Töchterlein 26 Mär 1662/Zot

5. Janos der ehrbare J.R. Erbrichter 12 Okt 1662/Zot

6. Jonas ---- 6 Mär 1668/Glem

7. Jonas der alte J.R. 5 Mai 1669/Zot

8. Kein Name Hans Rotters Jüng. Söhnlein 2 Apr 1671/Glem

9. Kein Name die alte Hans Rotterin 27 Nov 1672/Glem

10. Kein Name die alte Hans Rotterin (also zwei mal?) 9 Apr 1673/Glem

11. Kein Name Michael Rotters Söhnlein 1 Jun 1674/Glem

12. Hans Hans Rotter Älter Bauer 2 Mar 1676/Glem

13. Susanna Hans Rotters .....knechts ehr.... 20 Sep 1676/Glem

14. Kein Name Hans Rotters Kind 7 Feb 1677/Glem

15. Kein Name Hans Rotters Töchterlein 14 Jun1678/Glem

16. Zacharias ---- 14 Jan 1679/Zot

17. Marttin ---- 1 Mär 1679/Glem

18. Kein Name Hans Rotters Weib 2 Jan 1681/Glem

19. Hans Bauer 16 Jan 1682/Glem

20. Kein Name Hans Rotters Kind 27 Jan 1682/Glem

21. Michael ---- 6 Feb 1682/Glem

22. Matthes .. ist dem Hans Rotter ein Sohn namens.. ?? 1685/Glem

23. Franciscus .. dem Hans Rotter ein Kind namens.. 24. Okt 1685/Zot

24. Elisabeth .. dem Hans Rotter ein Töchterlein .. ??? 1685/Glem

25. Georg .. Hans Rotters hinterlassenes Söhnlein 6 Mar 1688/Glem

26. Kein Name/no name .. dem Hans Rotter seine Ehewirtin 15 Mar 1691/Glem

27. Johannes .. dem Georg Rotter ein Söhnlein ??? 1671/Pittarn

28. Anna Rotterin 14 Feb 1692/Glem

29. Eva des Hans Rotters Mutter 22 Mar 1692

Bis hierher gelesen/Read up to here

Rotters came from Habelschwerdt

"Hello Gernot & Rebecca:

OUR Rotters came from Habelschwerdt, Germany, now in Poland. The immigrant was Benedict Rotter and wife Marie Straube Rotter with 9 of their 10 children and they arrived in Baltimore on June 12, 1881. They came to Nebraska and Benedict died in 1883. The l0th child, Mary Rotter was a teacher of music in a convent in Vienna and we have been trying to find info on her for many years. We have a picture of her and a postcard sent in 1914. We have all the info on Benedict's family, but don't know if he had siblings (yet). I get records at the LDS church, but haven't found them yet.

We are coming over to Europe in April/May time slot. Is there any way in the world We might be able to find where their property was in Habelschwerdt? We know what happened there in 1945/46. We have a relative in Canada who has been giving us well-needed advice on our trip, he was born in Germany and is 65 now. He is related on my husband's grandmother's side, Mechsner, who also came from the same area. We are looking for all kinds of advice on our trip, want to do the leg work before we get there.

The other names of people who married Rotters: Gloger, Reinsch, Schwarzer, Miller, and the Meschner spouse was Agnes Knieteg. Any help you can give us would be much appreciate, or if you want more from our branch we would be very willing to send. This branch was Roman Catholic and a lot of them still are. We attended the first ever Nebraska Rotter reunion last June. They had over 100 but I thought there would be more. We have our 18th annual Oregon Reunion this next August, which we started up and it is continuing at our home in St. Helens that we sold to one of Art's sons. We live on the Oregon Coast in a small town named Yachats, 25 miles south of Newport, which you could probably see on a map.

It was nice to see someone named Rotter on the net. Art & Jean Rotter

Gernot Rotter wrote: Hallo Rebeca,

Of course I do read English fluently. So, please, let's stay in contact. I'm born at Troppau (now in Czeckia called Opava) which until 1742 belonged to former Austrian Silesia as Breslau did up to then. In March I'll be doing research in the archive of Troppau. I just got a list of Rothers in the phone-book of Breslau from the year 1941: There are 498 (!!) entries.

Interested? Gernot Rotter

PS: Please, have a look at my (very short) home-page: http://home.t-onleine.de/home/g.rotter

kaybeck@earthlink.net schrieb:

Hallo Gernot, I do not speak or write German, yet. I have Rother's who came to America from around Breslau. Do you read English?

Rebecca Jensen Oakland, CA, USA

Re: [SCI] Rother/Rotter "Hello Jean,

I have been on vacation and am just now catching up on emails. I'm afraid I won't be of any help to you at all as I know next to nothing about Schlesien geography. I'm assuming that by now Gernot has replied to you. I found it interesting, however, that your Rotter family came to Nebraska via Baltimore in 1881. Do you know if they had any relations in Baltimore? That is where my Rother family settled when they arrived in 1860 and 1863 and 3 siblings of my gr-gr-grandmother I cannot locate in either census records or Baltimore City Directories --- where they went is a mystery. (They are also not in the 2 family cemeteries).

Sincerely, Rebecca (Jensen) Oakland, CA

VonROTHERT) from Osnabruck Germany or Henne Germany

From: Topfuelmph@aol.com Source: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [OHHAMILT] ROTER/ROTHERT Census/Death/Marriage lookups!

Please help me- we have a huge family reunion coming up and I have very little on this branch of the family. your help will make 47 people very happy and well informed.

Searching for Cincinnati-area residents 1840-1880

ROTER (or ROTHERT or VonROTHERT) from Osnabruck Germany or Henne Germany J.H. (Could be John Heinrich or John Henry)

Margaret Elderbrock or Elderbrook Their children:

Louis or Ludwig R., Born 2 OCT 1851 in Cincinnati d 1907 Parsons KS Sophia b 5 Feb 1857 in Cincinnati (married VANDOLAH) died May 1 1901 John F.

Harry Dora (married YOUNGER) Louise (Married CURRY) Would someone be willing to do a lookup please Thanks Peter

From: Connie Lasley [elasley@sigecom.net] Source: GC-Jackson County, WV Obits The Mountaineer (Thursday, June 27, 1940)

ALONZO RADER PASSES SUNDAY

Alonzo Rader, age 86, died at the home of his son, W.R. Rader in Ripley, Sunday and burial was made in the Mt. Olive Cemetery, Tuesday. Rev. Mahoney preached the funeral sermon and the Vail Mortuary had charge of the body. Mr. Rader was the son of George W. and Nancy Miller Rader. He married to Miss Margaret Gabbert and to this union were born nine children. Mrs. Rader and three of the children preceeded him in death.

Those living are L.M. Rader, Akron, Ohio; G.W. Rader, Florida; W.R. Rader, Ripley; Mrs. Martha Schrimer, Uhrichsville, Ohio; Mrs. R.O. Cook, Pennslvania. Mr. Rader was born and lived all his life near Ripley, and at Ripley. He had enjoyed remarkable good health until a few months ago when he fell and broke his hip. His death Sunday was sudden.

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