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Rader Ramblings

James Lee Rader -- 2633 Gilbert Way -- Rancho Cordova, CA 95670-3513

28th Issue Spring 1998

DerRotenhof (The Red House) Raders in Rothenberg before 1200 and the Von Roeders of Texas who come from that royal line Is this the line which created Casper Rader (1732-1812)
Queries Queries from the Internet, Lima Peru – Halifax England --
My New computer, how much is enough Full motion Video !
Making of America sponsored by the Mellon Foundation posts original records which contain actual Rader history
Rader Locations, have you been there ?

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Have you visited our home page on the internet yet ?http://www.rader.org my email address is jim@rader.org

Where are we with the CD-ROMs of our ancestors ?

Some of you have been kind enough to provide both GEDCOM files and Photographs for the project. I encourage all of you to submit more of both.

Where am I with the CD-ROMs

I now have the data base running properly, the movies digitized and many documents scanned it. Much of the work is done but there will always be additional work to do. I hesitate to create the CD’s at this point because there is so much more that I can add to it. At some point I will just do it, as they say !

What is important to you ? If I am to add some items in this version and save the rest to add in the next version, which items are most critical to you ?

The Photographs

To those of you have sent photographs to add to the "Rader Data Base", Thank you very much !

What are the goals:

At least one paragraph about each person, something about them as a person !
At least one photograph of them, their home, their most important accomplishment !
Scanned in originals of important documents (Deeds, marriage licenses, any signed document)
More !

How do you want history to remember you ?

Do you want a stranger to sum up your life ? Please contribute what ever you want to be remembered by so I can load it on the CD-ROM. Did you write a poem, create a sculpture, get mentioned in print. Share it with the rest of us !

Der Rotenhof (The Red House)

"THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS", A BIOGRAPHY OF THE VON ROEDER FAMILY AND ITS ROLE IN TEXAS HISTORY, By Flora von Roeder Printed by Baylor College of Medicine Houston, Texas © Sept. 1978, by Flora von Roeder

CHAPTER I OF THE RED ROSE

In the year 928, Duke Henry of Saxony established a march (a frontier)on the Lower Elbe River and in the lands between the Elbe and Oder Rivers, in order to protect Saxon borders from invasion by the pagan Slavic and Prussian tribes of barbarians who lived near the Baltic Sea. Saxony's dukes were represented in the march by margraves (military governors). The armies of knights sent into battle to conquer these tribes not only succeeded in subduing them, but forced them to accept Christianity. This territory was known as the March of Brandenburg.

Progress in the march was slow at first, but "with 1133 came a new line, a new order and a permanent advance. In that year, Emperor Lothair conferred the March of Brandenburg on the head of the House of Ballenstedt in the Harz Mountains and, with the advent of Albert the Bear, the period of the Ascanian Margraves began. Ruling from their castle, Aschersleben, the Ascanian line became the Margraviate of Brandenburg in 1157. They ruled this area until their extinction in 1319 with the death of Waldemar the Great.

In the two centuries of effective and expanding Ascanian power, it is probable that the beginnings of Berlin date from the middle of the thirteenth century, at which time the districts of the Spree River passed under the House of Anhalt and through the fortress of Tangermunde. It became and remained the capital of the margraviate. Also during this time, Germanic settlers slowly but steadily began infiltrating this area from the West. As the Slavic Wends of the East were conquered, an economic and social life was gradually being molded that stereotyped the area for many generations to come, in that the captured Wends became the broad base for serfdom. These serfs became the property of the manorial lords, a process emphasized and aided by the absence of serious competition from a prosperous burgher or city life

Under the Ascanian Margraves, Junkertum- -the rule and predominance of a noble squirearchy--was born and developed. Based on the relation of lord to vassal with all lands held in fee, this feudalistic system of political organization had as its chief characteristics, homage, the service of tenants under arms and in court, ward-ship, and forfeiture. Not having a system of currency as exchange, land was the only means by which services could be bought, and those bought into service were governed by those they served. Because these lands and services could not be bought and sold for money, they were inherited generation after generation, meaning that one's status in life could not change except through reward by superior members of the system.

In 1180 Emperor Frederick Barbarossa set up Anhalt as a principality of the Holy Roman Empire and separated it from Brandenburg. Comprised of territory east of the Weser River, it extended westward into Saxony and was bordered by what was to become Leipzig on the South and Berlin on the North.

In 937 Holy Roman Emperor Otto I, the Great, gifted the foundation Quedlinburg with the village Rieder (also recorded as Reder and Redere) as well as a principal estate. Located near Bernberg in the not yet created principality of Anhalt, it is believed to have been near the place of origin of the Ascanian line in Ballenstedt in the Harz Mountains.

It is documentably impossible to prove a connection between the von Roeder name and this medieval village; however, by more than coincidence it appears to be likely. The village name could have been derived from its locale in the fog-moistened, isolated, melancholy, reed-covered area (ried) in the Harz Mountains. Or, it could have come from the Germanic first name Redwardus (Redurus). Roeder, is a sonorous interpretation of the name, attributed to the rhoden (rose).

For the first time in 1218 in a sales document, an Arnoldus de Redere, his son Rugold, and his father's inherited property are mentioned. In 1223, the Abbess of Gernode is said to have bought 30 hide5 of land situated in the ,,Villa Redere" from Arnoldus de Redere and his heirs. The former, the princely council in Anhalt and until 1220 Lord High Steward of the Convent Gernode, was one of an original class of bondsmen, able to bear arms, formed during the transition period from bondage to freedom. These people' stood in a personal hereditary dependence relationship belonging to the emperor, the spiritual founders, the princes or free sovereigns.

The knight Koppen (Jacob) Roeder and his brother, Hans, are documentarily mentioned in Ballenstedt to have received a free Sattelhof from Princes Bernard V and Otto III of Anhalt of the old Bernberger line and belonging estates in 1390. Although the documents are not available to show how much sooner this Sattelhof was granted, the family was holding fiefs6 at Harzgerode from the Dukes of Anhalt. In a deed of enfeoffment dated Friday in the Holy Whitsun Week (May 27, 1429), Detzel (Dietrich) Roeder received the free Sattelhof at Harzgerode willed to him by his father, Koppen (Jacob). This deed, given by Margrave Frederick of the Meissen, was pawned by the Prince of Anhalt, stating that the estates in question were fiefs granted by the von Anhalts and especially dealing with the Sattelhof at Harzgerode. The Sattelhof meant the free estate (free from all taxes and forced labor) of a Saddle Count, for which the services rendered in return were in the saddle by the warrior or knight or soldier.

The knights, Hans I, Koppen (Jacob) and Hermann Roeder, sons of Detzel (Dietrich), received in 1467 the Sattelhof from the Princes of Schwartzburg and Stolberg to carry on the name in the services of the Anhalt princes. In addition to the estate at Harzgerode, the family also owned the village of Sippenfeld with all woods and fields there and the high jurisdiction over life and death, which was a fief from the Counts of Regenstein and Blankenburg granted on Thursday after All Saints' Day on November 4, 1490, by Count Ubricht von Regenstein. 9 Hans Roeder II (1491-1514) was the son of Hans I, and Wolfgang Roeder (1512-1579) was the son of Hans II. Between 1514 and 1579, the family gained control over numerous land investments with villages, farms, country estates and their connected privileges including twenty-three vassals and servants. Wolfgang Roeder donated land and meadows to the St. George Hospital, originally a tavern, but converted in 1552 into a homestead for old and infirm people. He received his revenues from donations and legacies. In 1569 in Quedlinburg, he made his last will and testament with a confession in faith, stating that he was already a Protestant. Upon his death in 1579, he was buried in the cemetery at Harzgerode.

It must have been Wolfgang whom the hierarchy recognized as a man of distinction and awarded him the title "Baron." At first the title "von" had been used indiscriminately in front of all names of persons who became land owners, but gradually it became a mark of distinction and its use confined to those of noble birth or was exercised by rulers to, ennoble certain people to use the prefix "von. "

"Baron" signifies a man "par excellence" and was first applied only to the higher feudal personages. As a knight, he had received an order of chivalry or knighthood, and then had gone on through several grades of feudal society. These older day barons were the immediate vassals of the crown, appearing in the imperial court and diet. Many of them were then elevated to the rank of "Count" and some even to "Prince. " The later day title of "Baron" or "Freiherr" is a comparatively inferior rank of the nobility.

The son of Wolfgang and his wife, Gunigunda von Stammer, Hans III, married in 1564, Catherina Barbara von Wurmb. He already had a son, Hans Wolf Ernst, by his first wife, Magdalena von Pausen. Hans III and Catherina were blessed with four more children. He died in 1604 leaving his heritage to his oldest son, while his brother, Caspar, became the first ancestor of another von Roeder line.

Hans Wolf Ernst von Roeder, titled court page to Prince Christian II of Anhalt-Bernberg, married Hypolita von Voight and fathered two sons. Born in 1613 at Harzgerode, the oldest son, Christian Ernst, added to the family fortunes when he acquired the Hoym estate in 1654. He lent the princely ex-checker in Bernberg a capital of 1500 florins for which Prince Christian repaid him with the estate including house and fields. His marriage to Clara Helene von Salza7 of the House of Dietersdorf was blessed with fourteen sons and four daughters, and they grew up on the Hoym estate.

Upon Christian Ernst's death on April 12, 1674, his oldest son, Frederick Ernst von Roeder (1638-1703), became heir of Hoym; whereas, his other sons inherited Harzgerode. On October 4, 1686, Frederick Ernst married Marie Kessler, daughter of a judge. The heirs of Harzgerode apparently left few heirs, because soon their line died out. 15

Frederick Ernst's only son, Carl Frederick Wilhelm (b. Feb. 20, 1694, d. Dec. 28, 1743), inherited the Hoym estate. His marriage on January 15, 1715, to Elizabeth Sybille Rudloff (b. Apr. 29, 1691, d. Feb. 14, 1750) rings of romance and rebellion. The twenty-year-old Carl's marriage was to the daughter of a tavern owner and domain renter, Heinrich Rudloff. She was older than he and certainly was not of the social class that previous von Roeders were known to move in and to unite with in marriage. One can only guess at the repercussions this union might have brought if Carl had not been an only son and heir. Surely his title and inheritance would have been denied him. But it was not, and he and Elizabeth lived at Hoym and left an heir, an only son, Frederick Wilhelm (b. Sept. 18, 1721, d. Oct. 30, 1792).

Manager of the Hoym estate, Frederick Wilhelm brought respect back to the family name when he married Charlotte Philippine Dilthey, the daughter of a well known academician of Nassau and his wife, Sophie Elizabeth Brumby. The Dilthey and Brumby families are said to be descendents of Scottish nobility.

Out of the marriage came five sons and two daughters born at Hoym. The oldest son, Wilhelm, entered the military service at the Prussian court. He served a company in Aschersleben commanded by the Duke of Weimar. In 1778, he participated in a campaign in Holland as a lieutenant. He received a serious head wound and died of it. The second brother, Victor, page to His Majesty Frederick II, was stationed with the Regiment Sadden at the Saale River and participated with it in the entire campaign, 1792-1795, and returned as an invalid, First Lieutenant. The third brother, Leopold, page to His Majesty Frederick II, also served with the Sadden Regiment, but died in the garrison. The fourth brother, Rudolph, served in the same regiment. He participated in the campaign in The Hague, 1792 - 1795, and died at the siege of Mainz. The fifth brother, Ludwig Anton Sigismund, entered the Prussian service in 1789 in the First Battalion Renuar. He participated in The Hague campaign and in all the Rhine battles. Shortly after Hockheim was taken by storm, he was then promoted to Second Lieutenant.

Upon his promotion, Ludwig von Roeder joined the Volunteer Corps and participated in all its campaigns until it dissolved at Frankfurt/Main. There he rejoined his original regiment when the neutrality line was drawn, and he was assigned to the post of ordinance officer for the Duke of Brunswick, whose headquarters were in Prussian Minden. Here the young nobleman became acquainted with the Royal Privy Councillor, Phillip Wilhelm Sack, and then with Sack's third daughter, Caroline Louise.

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For being instrumental in saving Frederick's life, Sack was rewarded with an estate, Der Rotenhof (The Red House), and the Emperor's signet ring.

After the war, Frederick came to Phillip's rescue. Phillip was betrothed to Ottilie Baumann, the daughter of a Catholic family. Although it is not known that they were opposed to Ottilie's engagement to the Protestant Phillip, they did vow that, if their only son who also fought in the war came home unharmed, they would give Ottilie to be a nun. When Phillip came home a hero, he found Ottilie in a convent. He slipped notes to her and persuaded tier to escape. The couple eluded the soldiers who found out about them and fled to Holland where they were married. Upon their return, Frederick learned of their plight and persuaded the Pope to sanctify the marriage.

At Der Rotenhof, near the village Hausberge Phillip and Ottilie raised six sons and six daughters. It was in the old castle of Hausberge - near the Fort Westphalia, in the neighborhood of Minden that Ludwig Sigismund Anton Von Roeder and Caroline Louise Sack were married on September 12, 1798.

An ancient kingdom of Northern Germany, Saxons invaded and conquered England in the fifth and sixth centuries. In the eighth century, after more than thirty years of fighting, Charlemagne, who, after allying himself with the Pope and being crowned first Holy Roman Emperor, defeated the rebellious Saxons and brought them to Christianity. In the early tenth century, Duke Henry became the first Saxon to be crowned Emperor. Henry is regarded by some as the actual founder of the German Empire.

Looking at a current map of divided Germany, one can see that the Elbe River forms a portion of the East and West German borders, and that the Oder River forms a portion of the border between East Germany and Poland. Berlin lies approximately mid-way between the two.

Always having warring factions within it, the Holy Roman Empire had become divided. Regarded as one of the most popular German emperors, Frederick held as his main objective the restoration of the German-Roman Empire. However, Henry the Lion of Saxony refused to come to Frederick's aid, and finally, Frederick was compelled to divide Saxony and its territories among the neighboring princes.

Called a talking coat of arms, armorial bearings reflect the interpretation of the name. On the red background of the shield, a silver beam leads from the right hand up to the left down, charged with three red roses. A closed red vol, the helmet is crowned with a red eagle wing. The Gothic style of the coat of arms represents the era in which it was developed or first proved--in this case to the "Uradel" or the oldest nobility.

BIBLIOGRAPHY

. Sir J. A.R. Marriott, M.A., and Sir Charles Grant Robertson, Chapter II, "The Origins of Brandenburg-Prussia, " THE EVOLUTION OF PRUSSIA, THE MAKING OF AN EMPIRE (Oxford University Press, Amen House, London, England, Revised Edition, 1946).

Hans Sack, M.D., "The Genealogy of the von Roeder. Family," DIE TAUBE (The Sack Foundation, Buckeburg, W. Germany, printed in Hamburg, Spring 1971 Edition, No. 145). (Compiled from: "Von Roeder Ancestral Line, " by I. C. Weisig, 1865, Rothenburg, Germany; Some Things Historical About the Castle and the City of Harzgerode, 11 by Victor Edward von Roeder, Dessau, 1899; Genealogies by Mr. H. J. Rodestock, Hannover; and old editions of DIE TAUBE and DAS SILBERN BUCH DER FAMILIE SACK.)

Hans Sack, M.D., "Philippine Sophie Caroline Louise Rosalie Kleberg Born von Roeder," DIE TAUBE (The Sack Foundation, Buckeburg, W. Germany, printed in Hamburg, Fall 1971 Edition, No. 146). (Compiled from: Memoirs of Robert Justus Kleberg; Letter dated Breden, November 1, 1833, addressed to Sack Foundation and signed by Ludwig von Roeder, Cavalry Captain-filed with the Rudolph Kleberg papers at The University of Texas Archives, Austin; Notice of death and funeral service conducted by Pastor J. K. Poch at graveside of Rosalie von Roeder Kleberg as recorded by Rudolph Kleberg, II.)

Genealogical Chart, Sack Family Archives, Buckeburg, W. Germany. Marriott and Robertson, Chapter IV, "Frederick the Great, 1740-1786 DAS SILBERN BUCH DER FAMILIE SACK, Published by the Sack Foundation, Germany,. 1926.

Sack, "The Genealogy of the von Roeder Family. Frank W. Johnson, "E. G. Langhammer, " A HISTORY OF TEXAS AND TEXANS (The American Historical Society, Chicago and New York, 1916), II. p. 1575.

Gilbert Giddings Benjamin, Ph. D., THE GERMANS IN TEXAS, A STUDY IN IMMIGRATION (Taken from Robert Kleberg's notes, written in 1876, reasons for leaving Germany as written in his memoirs) (Published in Philadelphia, c. 1910, Reprinted from German American Annals, Vol. VII, pp. 16-17.)

QUERIES

Subject: Re: Jonathan Rader, b. 1830 VA, d. 1902 IN

Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT)

Resent-From: R360-L@rootsweb.com

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:50:37 -0500

From: "Bobby and Cindy Bolinger" <bobo27@geocities.com>

To: R360-L@rootsweb.com

I am Cindy Bolinger. My husband Bobby is searching for his grandmother,

Jessie Virginia Rader, who died in 1922, long before Bobby was born. She

died when Bobby's dad, Warren was a baby, so Warren has no memory of her. I

don't know if there could be any connection at all, but the names "Effie"

and "Jacob" jumped out from your post. This is what I know of the family.

Father: William (?) Rader, birth place and date unknown, death place and

date unknown, unsure of name. He was a traveling Methodist preacher and

believed to be a widower when he was in San Saba Co., TX

Mother: Unknown

Children: (1)Jacob (?), died about 1903, place unknown (2) Elmer, rumored

to be a circuit preacher in Texas (3) Thelma, who married a Billington (4)

Jessie Virginia, born Dec 14, 1889, Texas, died Oct 21, 1922, Bell County,

TX, married David Bolinger, Jul 26, 1908, San Saba Co., TX (5) Effie, no

information

I don't believe your Effie and the Jacob you list are necessarily this

family, but perhaps these are names which were used in different branches of

the same family. Jessie said she was born in Texas on the one census she

appears on, but this could be in error. I have never found any of the other

children on census records, but it is probably that I don't know where to

look.

I can certainly appreciate the frustration you have at not being able to

find the family. Like they say, just keep asking. Somebody out there must

know something! Good luck, and please let me know your thoughts.

Cindy Bolinger

-----Original Message-----

From: John Ray Lambert <jrlamb@netdirect.net>

To: R360-L@rootsweb.com <R360-L@rootsweb.com>

Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 10:07 PM

Subject: Jonathan Rader, b. 1830 VA, d. 1902 IN

>Hello,

> My name is John Lambert and I am new to this mail list. I am seeking any

>and all info. on this Jonathan Rader .... b. abt. 1830 in VA, d. abt.

>1902 in IN, m. 10-31-1858 to Matilda Stewart, d/o James and Drusilla

>Reynolds Stewart of Delaware County, Indiana. They had two daughters,

>Clara May Rader, b. 9-15-1859, m. Thomas Jefferson Clark, d. 4-8-1907 in

>Delaware Co., IN; Effie Drusilla Rader, b. 2-25-1861, m. John W. Lambert,

>d. 1940 in Delaware Co., IN.

> Joanthan had a brother, Robert M. as I have a letter he wrote to

>Jonathan from the Civil War, and a sister, Martha is mentioned in that

>letter as well. I have no idea who thier parents were. There was a farm

>next to John W. Lambert's parent's farm in Delaware Co. owned by a Jacob

>Rader, but I do not know who he was. Jonathan was a carpenter and

>inventor and lived mostly in Yorktown and Muncie in Delaware Co., IN.

> Any info. or suggestions are welcomed. I have a fair amount of info. to

>share as well for anyone interested. THANK YOU!

>John

DEAR MR. IPSEN(OR SHOULD I CALL YOU COUSIN)

MY NAME IS JOHAN GEORG RAEDER STANKE, SON OF JOHAN GEORG RAEDER JERNER. I WAS BORN IN LIMA, PERU, 1949. MY FATHER WAS BORN IN OSLO, NORWAY TO JOHAN GEORG RAEDER AND KATHERINE JERNER AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A CLOSER CONTACT WITH MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY IN EUROPE. AS FAR AS I HAVE SEEN IN THE NET, THERE ARE NOT MANY RAEDERS OUTSIDE OF GERMANY, DENMARK, NORWAY AND SOME IN THE USA. ALTHOUGH I AM NOT SURE IF THEY BELONG TO THE SAME FAMILY.

THANKS TO E-MAIL I HAVE MANAGED TO ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY WHO SEEMS TO BE VERY WELL ACQUAINTED WITH OUR GENEALOGICAL TIES. FOUR YEARS AGO, MY SISTER PATRICIA WENT TO NORWAY TO CELEBRATE THE 300TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FAMILY. I WONDER HOW THIS TIES INTO THE WHOLE FAMILY TREE. BECAUSE JOHAN GEORG RAEDER WAS IN THE 1700'S THE OWNER OF THE KRONSBERG SILVER MINES. I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME JOHAN GEORG. I HOPE TO HEAR

FROM YOU SOON AND NOW YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A RAEDER BRANCH IN SOUTH AMERICA.

BEST REGARDS.

JOHAN GEORG RAEDER

In a message dated 98-04-09 22:12:19 EDT, you write:

<< I have the following Melvina's

Rader, Melvina (i837), b.1835-d.

Rader, Melvina (i1499), b.1839-d.

Rader, Melvina (i8117), b.1860-d.

Is one of them yours ?

I don't have much but what I do have is:

Melvina Jane Rader was born Feb. 20, 1850 and died March 29, 1950 . She married my g.grandfather Elihu Forinash on December 24, 1868. Her Father (according to her obituary in the Charleston Gazetter) was William W. Rader and mother Mary Arbogast . I also have the obit for her sister, Louverna Rader (McClure) who lived to be 99. I think there was a brother Benjamin who may have been a Methodist preacher. I haven't been able to tie my Rader family in with any of the information I've found on the internet so I'll keep on searching. Thanks for your note. Karen

Hello from Halifax;

Yesterday I was talking to a lady who showed me old photos & military papers of her g. grandfather Wm. Reader; He was b. 1873; St Georges; Wolverhamton; Staffordshire; England. He joined the Worchestershire Regiment in Dudley on June 16;1891; He was discharged in

Halifax ; Nova Scotia on June 15 ;1903. He some how ended up in Chicago & Marr. a Catherine O'Boyle; B. Ireland; He returned to Nova Scotia & had 7 offspring; Catherine d.age 34; & Wm. Marr. a lady by the last name of Hennigar & had more children. He was killed while working at a saw mill when he was cut in half by a large saw blade; His g.grand daughter ( who does not have a computer ) asked me if I could help her find relatives in England; or any where of Wm. Reader; She has all the family history & lots of old photo's; Could you suggest where we could start.

Dave Singer ; Halifax. NS

Jim - I have a RADER that you may or may not have.

About 1830 John SCHRODT II m. Anna Maria RADER in Germany. They had four

children there and then at the urging of Fredrick SEILER they immigrated to the US. They landed in New Orleans in 1838 and steamed up the Mississippi and Wabash Rivers landing in Mt. Carmel, Wabash Co., Ill. where SEILER met them. Here they settled and had two more children. They family farm is still there and run by the SCHRODTs.

Tim TILLYER in Escondido, CA

I am posting my ancestor information to both "REEDER" and "R360" as well as Yorksgen and VA-Southside lists in hopes that someone may be able to help With information.

My ancestor was one Robert READER who first is mentioned in 1773 as a Neighbor on a Mecklenburg Co., VA land sale document. He purchased his own land in 1774, but was obviously occupying it prior to that.

This property lay west of the "Ragsdale branch of Wood Pecker Creek" which Was part of the middle Bluestone Creek, a tributary of the Roanoke River. As near as I can tell this property was a few miles southwest of the present town of Chase City, VA.

Robert READER made his will in 1780 in Mecklenburg Co. and it was proved in 1782. The will mentions his wife Grace (maiden name unknown), his daughter Abisha (also known as "Bicey") and his sons, Robert(Jr.), Thomas, Jephthah (Jeptha/Jepter), and Jehu. Some sources ascribe the name John to Jehu but this must be a misreading of The handwriting, as Jehu is named clearly on other related documents.

In the early 1800's the family "plantation" was divided up among the Children and eventually sold as they moved on to other locations in NC,KY,GA, and TN. After a short stay (5-10 years?) in Rutherford Co., NC most of the family went to Overton (later Pickett) Co., TN settling on or near Eagle Creek along with Harrison and Mullins in-laws from VA. In 1830, Jeptha left with his wife Winnie (Harrison, daughter of James Mason HARRISON of MD, a VA rev. war veteran), son Paschal and other children for Macoupin Co., IL. Paschal acquired a large portion of land from the federal government. His sons included James K., George W., and William D. (Donnelson/Donaldson?) READER. George Washington READER was my great-grandfather. He had children Nellie (Sawyer), Irvin, and Ernest READER, who was my grandfather. William D. also had a son named George W., presumably after his brother. As far as I can tell the family had always been Baptists.

Now for the good part. We are trying to establish the origin of Robert READER of Mecklenburg Co., VA before 1773. Did he come from another colony or Another part of VA? There is a mention of a Robert READER as being counted and giving a loyalty oath in MD in 1778. Perhaps he had not yet moved his family to VA or was visiting relatives?

The only clue we have is that Jeptha, born in 1776, always claimed to be "an Englishman" so that might mean his father came from there or simply that it Was his birthright, being born in an English colony before the American revolution.

Following another lead that an Alfred READER from Dorset, England settled in Macoupin Co., IL in 1855 proved to be a dead end. Although I was able to Trace Alfred's family back to the early 1700's there was nothing aboput any Robert in his or related lines.

However, there is a Robert READER listed in the parish register of Blacktoft, Yorkshire (East Riding), England. He married a Grace BRIGHAM in 1767 and baptised a son named Robert in 1768. Is this the same man? There is no Other mention of this family after 1768 in the Blacktoft register, so they must Have moved, possibly to America.

There is also an earlier Robert READER/REEDER(I) of Stainforth, Yorkshire mentioned in the manor court rolls of Hatfield. He had a son Robert(II) and was possibly the grandfather of the Robert READER(III?) of Blacktoft. The Blacktoft register also records the burial of one Mary READER, wife of Robert READER, in 1759. Was this Mary the first wife of Robert(III?) or possibly the wife of Robert(II) and mother of Robert(III?)?

If anyone has any information on this READER/REEDER family please let me know. If you would like any information which I might have on this READER family in the U.S. I would be happy to share. Perhaps there are a few more cousins out there!

Thanks, Don READER St. Louis, MO USA readerd@storz.com

Russ,

You *may* be confusing two old Lebanon County churches.

There *was* a Swatara Church in Bethel Twp. The Reformed congregation was established in the 1730's, there is no proof of the existance of a Lutheran congregation at this site, although there *may* have been one. The above was taken from "Early Church Records of Lebanon Co PA" by F Edward Wright. He found the info on this church in "Two Dead and Lost Churches of the Swatara", by E. Grumbine, LCHS Papers (1901).

There also is a Tolpehill, Little Swatara, Swatara, Bethel church in Bethel Twp. The Reformed dates from the early 1750's. The congregation is now St. Paul's U.C.C. of Hamlin. The above was taken from "Early Church Records of Lebanon Co PA" by F Edward Wright.

Then there is Hill Church (Quittapahilla or Berg Kirche) in North Annville Twp. The church was built in 1733 and the first definite reference to a Lutheran congregation was in 1743. The first mention of a Reformed was in 1740.

The above was taken from "Early Church Records of Lebanon Co PA" by F Edward Wright. This Hill Church is just "above" Cleona PA, go north on Mill St from rte 422.

-Linnea

At 9:00 4/14/98, Russ Yeagley wrote:

>Anna, Although I think this Swatara Hill Church may be a bit too far southwest, I'm going to check on it the next time I'm in PA.

>Thanks a million! :) >Russ

Hello from Halifax; Yesterday I was talking to a lady who showed me old photos & military papers of her g. grandfather Wm. Reader; He was b. 1873; St Georges; Wolverhamton; Staffordshire; England. He joined the Worchestershire Regiment in Dudley on June 16;1891; He was discharged in Halifax ; Nova Scotia on June 15 ;1903. He some how ended up in Chicago

& Marr. a Catherine O'Boyle; B. Ireland; He returned to Nova Scotia & had 7 offspring; Catherine d.age 34; & Wm. Marr. a lady by the last name of Hennigar & had more children. He was killed while working at a saw mill when he was cut in half by a large saw blade; His g.grand daughter ( who does not have a computer ) asked me if I could help her find relatives in England; or any where of Wm. Reader; She has all the family history & lots of old photo's; Could you suggest where we could start.

Dave Singer ; Halifax. NS

Jim Rader wrote:

> The neswletter is in the mail

> Which Line are you working on ?

> Rader, Reader, Raeder, Roder, Roeder, Rotter

> H. Dean Reaves wrote:

> > I would like to take you up on your offer of a sample Rader Ramblings.

> > Please send to:

> > Janet Reaves 1641 Amanda Lane, Cantonment, Fl 32533.

> > Thank you.

> > --

> > Janet Reaves

> > djjnfl@gulf.net

I've been trying for years to find a trail on my g-grandmother Mary Jane RADER, b. 11 May 1844, d. 28 August 1888 when my grandmother was just two months old. Mary Jane was married to John Allen Bruffey. Their child Harry was born in Burning Springs, West Virginia 15 May 1874. That's all the information I have that would provide clues to her identity. I don't know the place she was married (or the date), the place she was born or the place she died, so searching for records is a little difficult. I know you're very busy so I wasn't going to ask for

a search but if you have time, I would sure appreciate it. Also, I'm a transcriptionist by trade. If there's something I can do to assist in your endeavor, please let me know.

Janet Reaves djjnfl@gulf.net

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From: Rick & Connie Springer <regnirps@flash.net>

Hi, everyone,

I've just been quietly trying to keep up with you guys, reading all you have written. Whew!!

I want to let all of you know there will be a Reeder Reunion in Victoria, Texas on June 13 (near Corpus Christi). This is generally the descendents of John Henry Reeder, Sr., born in SC and died in TN. But, all Reeders are invited to join us! I plan to be there and so will several other Reeder researchers.

If you would like more information, let me know and I'll send you the information. It is by reservation, so we need to have specifics!!

Rick Springer

regnirps@flash.net

Descendants of John D. OTTINGER - 23 Apr 1998

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FIRST GENERATION

1. John D. OTTINGER was born about 1818 in Green County, Tennessee.

He was married to Mariah RADER (daughter of John RADER and Hanna SCOTT) on 27 Oct 1842 in Green County, Tennessee. Mariah RADER was born about 1820 in Green County, Tennessee. John D. OTTINGER and Mariah RADER had the following children:

2 i. Paul OTTINGER1 was born on 19 Sep 1846 in Green County, Tennessee.

+3 ii. Martha Ann OTTINGER.

4 iii. Lidwig Barnabas OTTINGER1 was born on 28 Aug 1843 in Green Co., TN.

5 iv. Emmanuel OTTINGER1 was born on 27 Dec 1844 in Green County, TN.

+6 v. Daniel M. OTTINGER.

All I have does not include his date of birth, just circa 1800

I would like to add to it !

It follows one line of descendants

Charles "Carl"

George Washington Rader who died Birch Prarie, MO 18 Mar 1880

John Westley Rader who died Drumright, OK Mar 1929

Arthur Eugene Rader born Chandler OK 21 Aug 1912

GGamm10563 wrote:

> Hi

> Charles Carl Rader was born in Germany in 1778 married Susan (Sukey) Dawson born 1805. They lived in Ky; Roseburg area Their son George W. Rader Married Nancy Jane Childress.

> Thanks Martha

> PS > I am the great-great-grand daughter of George and Nancy.

Rader Ramblings (ISSN 1069-0905) is published quarterly by James Lee Rader, 2633 Gilbert Way, Rancho Cordova, CA 95670-3513. Annual rates are $15.

POSTMASTER send address changes to publisher.

Copyright 8 1998 James L. Rader. Permission is granted to other Genealogists for reproduction in whole or in part for internal, non-profit use, provided that credit is given to Rader Ramblings and to the authors of the reproduced materials.

My new computer ?

I quickly found that my pentium 75 with one gig of disk space was not up to the task of creating CD-ROMs with full motion video on them. The computer would do the work but I don’t think I was patient enough to wait for hours for each task to be completed.

Fortunately, it does not take as much computer to play a CD-ROM as it takes to create one. The disks should be easy for any pentium class computer to play. If you have a web browser on your 486 you should be able to use it also. I will test the product on the 286 and 386 and give you specific feedback as to the speed of viewing

For those of you that want a new computer I will list what I am currently using, both software and hardware

The computer must be fast and the CD-ROM reader must also be fast and SCSI.

The hard Disk is the most used part of my computer so it is important that it be fast. Wide SCSI hard disks transfer data at a rate of 40. Ultra Ide hard disks transfer data at 33. The same capacity of SCSI costs twice as much as the equivelant U-EIDE. Therefore I went with the U-IDE.

The monitor is what we see so extra money in that part is well worth it. The 17" is the smallest monitor one should consider today. The professional versions of the .25 dpi cost $100 extra.

This machine total cost was $2400 with the monitor. That does not include the CD writer ($400) Video capture board ($300)

Now that I have spend a couple of months upgrading I can get to work on the CD-ROMS and books.

Software to do the job

Ultimate Family Tree "Premier" edition (V 2.7) (UFT) The Genealogical data base program of choice. The Master Genealogist was hoped for but it has not completed a useable internet generator

PART	MODEL

Motherboard	ASUS P2L97-S
CPU	Intel P II 266
Ram Memory	64 meg
Hard Disk	6.4 gig U-EIDE
Video Card	4 meg ATI AGP
Monitor	17" Viewsonic P775
Video Capture	Intel SVR III
CD-ROM writer	Smart & Friendly 2006-Plus (1 meg)
CD-ROM Reader	24X SCSI
Photo/slide Scanner	HP Photosmart
Document Scanner	Cheap flat bed

Video Wave by MGI is the video editor which will allow me to add titles to the movies. The Graphic photo album software with UFT may be adaquate for the photo albums but who knows at this point.

FrontPage 98 will be used to tie it all together. This will allow you to use the CD with any Internet browser. Netscape or Microsoft or any other browser will allow you to view it.

MAKING OF AMERICA from the internet at http://www.umdl.umich.edu/moa/

This is one of the first sites on the internet which contain scanned in original documents. The documents in this article are from an 1860 state gazetteer for the state of Ohio

(MOA) is a digital library of primary sources in American social history from the antebellum period through reconstruction. The collection is particularly strong in the subject areas of education, psychology, American history, sociology, religion, and science and technology. The collection contains approximately 1,600 books and 50,000 journal articles with 19th century imprints. The project represents a major collaborative endeavor in preservation and electronic access to historical texts.

The Making of American collection is made up of images of the pages in the books and journals. When you find something you want to look at, you will see a scanned image of the actual pages of the 19th century volume. Optical Character Recognition (OCR) has been performed on the images to enhance searching and accessing the texts, but because we are concerned about the reliability of the OCR, we have chosen to present the page images -- for more on the OCR process see About MOA. A small, but growing, group of texts has also been fully processed and can be viewed either as page images or electronic text.

Making of America is made possible by a grant from

the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation.

Author:		Hawes, George W
Title:		Ohio state gazetteer and business directory for 1860-61.
Publication Date:		1860
City:		Indianapolis,	Publisher:	Pages:	958 pages
Subjects:		Ohio – Description and travel -- Gazetteers.
Bookmarkable URL for this book:	http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=AJA2907

Search: "rader" within books.

P 389 George Rader, blacksmith, Columbus

Roedter & Jordan, blacksmith

p 443 Joseph Rader, grocer, Millersport

P 718 David Rader, councilman, Detroit

If you have pictures of any of these locations, Please let me know so that we can share !

Feature Name St County Name Type Latitude Longitude USGS 7.5' Map

Rader Hollow AR Sharp valley 362127N 0911843W Williford

Rader Kindergarten FL Dade school 255115N 0801350W Miami

Rader Cemetery IA Davis cemetery 403754N 0921809W Pulaski

Rader School IL Cumberland school 391304N 0880113W Hazel Dell

Raders Branch IL Hamilton stream 381318N 0882428W Bungay

Raders Branch Drain IL Hamilton canal 381218N 0882429W Bungay

Radersdorf Ditch IN Pulaski canal 405607N 0864130W Buffalo

Rader Creek KY Clay stream 370944N 0834816W Manchester

Rader Hollow KY Hart valley 372056N 0855752W Munfordville

Rader MO Webster pop place 372737N 0924308W Rader

Rader Cemetery MO Shannon cemetery 370600N 0912422W Bartlett

Rader Church MO Maries church 381458N 0915549W Vienna

Rader Lake Dam MO Pettis dam 384418N 0931318W Sedalia East

Rader Creek MS Tate stream 343525N 0900929W Crenshaw North

Rader Creek MT Jefferson stream 455031N 1121739W Grace

Rader Mine MT Blaine mine 482833N 1091804W Sayer Butte

Rader Park MT Meagher park 463245N 1105417W White Sulphur Springs

Radersburg MT Broadwater pop place 461145N 1113752W Radersburg

Radersburg Cemetery MT Broadwater cemetery 461034N 1113645W Parker

Radersburg Pass MT Jefferson gap 461533N 1115422W Elkhorn

Radersburg Post Office MT Broadwater post office 461145N 1113752W Radersburg

Radersburg School (historical) MT Broadwater school 461145N 1113752W Radersburg

Rader Creek OH Wood stream 411509N 0834401W Bowling Green South

Rader Park OK Custer park 353337N 0984031W Weatherford

Rader Creek OR Douglas stream 432807N 1233627W Tyee

Rader Hills OR Jackson summit 422730N 1224657W Eagle Point

Rader PA Clarion pop place 411007N 0791522W Strattanville

Rader School SD Lincoln school 432714N 0964714W Tea

Rader TN Greene pop place 361015N 0825555W Mosheim

Rader Branch TN Cocke stream 360443N 0830430W Parrottsville

Rader Gap TN Greene gap 361524N 0830246W Bulls Gap

Rader Hill School TN Greene school 360026N 0825559W Cedar Creek

Rader Cemetery TX Kaufman cemetery 323632N 0960824W Ola

Rader Ridge TX Culberson ridge 315529N 1044639W Guadalupe Peak

Rader Windmill TX Culberson locale 314528N 1042342W Delaware Spring

Rader Knob VA Rockingham summit 384224N 0790348W Cow Knob

Rader Mountain VA Rockingham summit 383804N 0790555W Cow Knob

Rader Mountain Trail VA Rockingham trail 383651N 0790656W Rawley Springs

Rader Run VA Rockingham stream 384622N 0785704W Bergton

Rader Creek WA Okanogan stream 482655N 1201430W Winthrop

Rader Chapel WV Webster church 382748N 0803848W Tioga

Rader Church WV Jackson church 384732N 0813606W Gay

Rader Ford WV Fayette crossing 380217N 0804947W Corliss

Rader Fork WV Nicholas stream 382112N 0805737W Gilboa

Rader Run WV Braxton stream 383856N 0803607W Newville

Rader Run WV Greenbrier stream 375850N 0803826W Rupert

Rader Run WV Nicholas stream 381551N 0804847W Summersville

Raders Valley WV Greenbrier valley 375131N 0803229W Asbury

Rader Prospect Mine WY Park mine 442927N 1085846W Oregon Basin

Raderville WY Natrona pop place 425420N 1072241W Ervay Basin

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Last modified: 15:09:38 Wed 24 Sep 1997 dlg