Rader Ramblings

James Lee Rader -- 2633 Gilbert Way -- Rancho Cordova, CA 95670-3513

13th Issue Summer 1994

Roetter in CD-ROM library in Mormon Libraries page 2

Where did Raders live before 1750 page 3

Who were the Raders in the German Data Base 1750 page 5

Another page of German from Grossner page 12

Rohr from Schmalkalden, Heinz Röder loses his head page 13

Rader life in the Shenandoah valley, VA in 1750 page 16

Queries and Notes page 20

What's in this issue ?

1. In this issue we find many possible ancestors in "Silesia" or "Schlesien" before 1750. You will remember that this was before there was a country called "Germany". At that time the "Prussian" empire had ruled for some time. Prior to that it had been part of the "Roman" empire. Since then it has been part of Austria and is currently part of Poland. So no more "Polish Jokes" !!!

2. We also take a stab at translating some more of the 40 pages obtained from Rudolf Grossner of Erlangen, Germany. This group of Roetters lived at the Fürth Castle in Farrnbach in the 17th century

3. Röder families when they were called von Ror or from the town of Ror in the Thueringian forest in the year 815. This is a Franken district of Grabfeld. This is the first cloister in the Hannenberg area. From "Deutsches Familienarchiv" Band 31 page 144-5

4. More from the series over 100 "Rader Stories" reprinted from The Descendants of ADAM AND ANNA MARIA RÖDER - JOHANN ADAM AND KATHARINA (TAUBER) RÖDER

The new CD-ROM library in Mormon Libraries has many more people !

The following is an extraction from their "International Genealogical Index" (IGI) data base, but first an explanation. As most of you know there is a problem with how names were spelled in earlier times. The officials writing the names had a different goal in mind than we do. The were tax collectors, law men or merchants who's prime purpose was not how to spell a name.

They would usually spell a name as it would "sound" in their mother tongue. An English scribe would spell the same sound differently from the way an Irish born scribe would. Further it was considered stylish or a sign of education if you could spell a name more than one way and still get the same sound.

In the case of my ancestor "Casper Rader" he could write his own name. As you have seen in previous editions, his name was spelled "Ruder, Rider, Ryder, Reedar, Reeder, Roeder" while he spelled it Rötter. When the ö is spelled out in either Germany or Pennsylvania it is usually "OE". So I used the spelling of "ROETTER" when extracting the following information. My next project will be to collect the "ROEDER" spelling.

This extraction was first "parent records". I then started the individual records. Each extraction was done to a floppy disk in what is called the "GEDCOM format. I them imported all of those files into my Genealogy program , Roots III, and created a linked data base file. This file currently has over 17,000 people with the spelling "Roetter" or something that sounds like Rader.

In the previous edition of the IGI this extraction would include the spelling ROEDER but as you can see this one does not. The other thing to know is that over the past few years the Mormons have had an agreement with POLAND to film records in that country. After they film the records they are then attacked by volunteers. As the teams of volunteers work through the thousands of rolls of film they enter the data into computers. This process is slow and the filming process has produced thousands of rolls of microfilm. They have been filming records in Europe since before World War II. The IGI has only a small fraction for the records that they have on film !

This extraction is from what they call the GERMAN file as opposed to the EUROPE. The purpose of this list is to show you Where these people lived prior to 1750 !

Birth Place birth date

Heimke, Rhnlnd, Preussen 1682, 1686

Heimke, Westfalen, Preussen 1680, 1674, 1690

Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg 1622, 1596

Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1686, 1707, 1737, 1741, 1743, 1745

Meck., Germany 1655, 1657

Murrhardt, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg 1738

of Altenburg, Altenburg, Thuringen 1709

of Byhleguhre, Brdbg., Preussen 1720

Of, Zaborowo Lissa, Pos, Preussen 1692, 1705, 1744

Osnabruck Stadt, Hannover, Preussen 1741

Schwarzw., Wuerttemberg 1602

Teschow, Mcklnb, Germany 1643

Thuringen 1709

Veinau, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg 1620

Vorder Wendorf, Meck., Germany 1651

Sachsen

Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1578, 1663

Altchemmitz, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1712

Brunlos, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1713, 1739, 1742

Oelsnitz, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1712

of Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1578

of Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1663

Zwickau, Sachsen 1663

Schlesien

Altenburg, Schles., Preussen 1749

Bieskau, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Bladen, Schlesien, Preussen 1740, 1743

Bobischau, Schlesien, Preussen 1739

Grossburg, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Gruen Hartau, Schlesien, Preussen 1704, 1722, 1723, 1732, 1738

Langendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1650-2, 1655, 1656, 1679

Munsterberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Nassiedel, Schlesien, Preussen 1695

Necasanitz, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1695, 1705, 1708, 1713

Neukemnitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1694, 1691

Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1725, 1727, 1731-3, 1735, 1740, 1745, 1748

Nieder Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1737, 1740, 1744, 1749

Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1734, 1739, 1743, 1746, 1749

Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1738, 1735-42, 1744-6, 1749

Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1734, 1735, 1740

of Rosenthal, Schweidnitz, Schles., Preussen 1739

of Schlegel, Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Of Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1701

Olbendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735, 1741, 1744

Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1717, 1720, 1723, 1726, 1734, 1735, 1737, 1740, 1743, 1745, 1748

Radziunz, Schlesien, Preussen 1695

Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1681, 1682, 1686, 1690, 1694, 1697

Schlesien, Preussen 1659, 1662, 1677, 1689, 1708-9, 1711, 1714, 1718-9, 1722, 1724-8, 1736, 1738, 1740, 1742-4, 1746-9

Schoemberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1724, 1726, 1729, 1731, 1737

Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1681, 1740, 1741, 1743, 1744, 1746, 1747, 1748

Silesia

Duerrkunzendorf, Glatz, Sil., Preussen 1706

Duerrkunzendorf, Sil, Preussen 1699, 1702, 1704, 1708,

Giersdorf, Goldberg, Sil., Preussen 1729, 1733

Jeschwitz, Schweidnitz, Preussen 1743, 1749

Jeschwitz, Schweidnitz, Silesia, Preussen 1746

Lorankwitz, Silesia, Preussen 1734

Ludwigsdorf, Silesia, Preussen 1690

Niedersteine, Sil, Preussen 1696, 1704, 1707, 1710-2, 1715, 1719, 1724, 1727, 1730, 1733, 1736, 1739, 1749

of Giersdorf, Goldberg, Sil., Preussen 1701

of Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1746

Of, Sauerwitz, Sls, Preussen 1707, 1710

Schlegel, Sil., Preussen 1709, 1711, 1718

This list is the name of the people represented in the above place list

Name Birth b

Appolonia ROETER Veinau, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg 1620

Dorotea ROETER Meck., Germany 1655

Magdalena ROETER Vorder Wendorf, Meck., Germany 1651

Stine ROETER Meck., Germany 1657

Barbara ROETTER Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg 1622

Maria Salome ROETTER Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg 1596

Trina ROETTER Teschow, Mcklnb, Germany 1643

Marie ROHLAND Thuringen 1709

Marie ROHLAND of Altenburg, Altenburg, Thuringen 1709

Bartholomaeus ROTER Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1578

Bartholomaeus ROTER of Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1578

Bartholomaeus ROTER Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1578

Anna Margretha ROTERT Heimke, Rhnlnd, Preussen 1682

Anna Margretha ROTERT Heimke, Westfalen, Preussen 1680

Anna Maria ROTERT Heimke, Rhnlnd, Preussen 1686

Catharina Hilke ROTERT Heimke, Rhnlnd, Preussen 1690

Heinrich Rudolf ROTERT Osnabruck Stadt, Hannover, Preussen 1741

Hilche ROTERT Heimke, Westfalen, Preussen 1674

George ROTHE Of, Zaborowo Lissa, Pos, Preussen 1705

George ROTHE OR ROTHER Of, Zaborowo Lissa, Pos, Preussen 1692

George ROTHE OR ROTHER Of, Zaborowo Lissa, Pos, Preussen 1744

Anna ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1677

Anna Barbara ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1710

Anna Brigitta ROTHER Schoemberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1731

Anna Catharina ROTHER Jeschwitz, Schweidnitz, Preussen 1743

Anna Catharina ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1733

Anna Christina ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1707

Anna Elisabeth ROTHER Duerrkunzendorf, Glatz, Sil., Preussen 1706

Anna Maria ROTHER of Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1746

Anna Maria ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1725

Anna Maria ROTHER Jeschwitz, Schweidnitz, Preussen 1749

Anna Maria ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1736

Anna Maria ROTHER Giersdorf, Goldberg, Sil., Preussen 1733

Anna Maria ROTHER Oelsnitz, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1712

Anna Maria ROTHER Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1686

Anna Maria ROTHER Zwickau, Sachsen 1663

Anna Maria ROTHER Schoemberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1729

Anna Rosina ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1696

Anna Rosina ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1715

Anna Rosina ROTHER Gruen Hartau, Schlesien, Preussen 1738

Anna Susanna ROTHER Duerrkunzendorf, Sil., Preussen 1704

Anton ROTHER Duerrkunzendorf, Sil, Preussen 1708

Anton Franz ROTHER Schoemberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1724

Antonia Theresia ROTHER Schoemberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1726

Antonius ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1748

August ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1709

Caroline Louise ROTHER Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1741

Caspar ROTHER Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1697

Christian ROTHER Gruen Hartau, Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Christian ROTHER Jeschwitz, Schweidnitz, Silesia, Preussen 1746

Christina ROTHER Duerrkunzendorf, Sil., Preussen 1702

Christoph ROTHER Altenburg, Schles., Preussen 1749

Christoph ROTHER Gruen Hartau, Schlesien, Preussen 1704

Christoph ROTHER Gruen Hartau, Schlesien, Preussen 1723

Dominico ROTHER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1681

Dominicus Franciscus ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1719

Eva Maria ROTHER Munsterberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Franz ROTHER Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1707

Franz Anton ROTHER Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1737

Franz Ignatz ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Franz Joseph ROTHER Bobischau, Schlesien, Preussen 1739

Friederike ROTHER Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1743

Georg ROTHER of Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1663

Georg ROTHER Adorf, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1663

Georg ROTHER Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1682

Gottfried ROTHER of Giersdorf, Goldberg, Sil., Preussen 1701

Gottfried ROTHER Gruen Hartau, Schlesien, Preussen 1732

Gottfried ROTHER of Rosenthal, Schweidnitz, Schles., Preussen 1739

Gottlieb ROTHER Brunlos, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1742

Hans Friedrich ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1711

Ignatz ROTHER Schlegel, Sil., Preussen 1711

Ignatz ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1730

Ignatz ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1719

Ignatz ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1689

Joanna ROTHER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1748

Joannes ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1704

Joannes ROTHER Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1681

Johann Dominicus ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1727

Johann Frantz ROTHER Schlegel, Sil., Preussen 1709

Johann Frantz ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1727

Johann Georg ROTHER Schlegel, Sil., Preussen 1718

Johann George ROTHER Grossburg, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Johann Jacob Adam ROTHER Murrhardt, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg 1738

Johann Joseph ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1739

Johann Joseph ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1712

Johann Joseph ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1724

Margarethe Elisabeth ROTHER of Byhleguhre, Brdbg., Preussen 1720

Johannes ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1711

Johannes Casper ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1728

Johannes Martin ROTHER Duerrkunzendorf, Sil, Preussen 1699

Julia ROTHER Lipie, Posen, Preussen 1745

Malcher ROTHER Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1690

Maria ROTHER of Schlegel, Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Maria Barbara ROTHER Schoemberg, Schlesien, Preussen 1737

Maria Elisabeth ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1714

Maria Elisabeth ROTHER Lorankwitz, Silesia, Preussen 1734

Maria Rosina ROTHER Giersdorf, Goldberg, Sil., Preussen 1729

Maria Rosina ROTHER Brunlos, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1739

Maria Theresia ROTHER Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Mathey ROTHER Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1694

Rosina ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil., Preussen 1719

Rosina ROTHER Altchemmitz, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1712

Susanna ROTHER Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1679

Thomass ROTHER Raschewitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1686

Gottlieb ROTHER OR RUDER Brunlos, Chemnitz, Sachsen 1713

ROTTER Nassiedel, Schlesien, Preussen 1695

Andreas ROTTER Of, Sauerwitz, Sls, Preussen 1710

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1718

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1711

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1718

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1726

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1711

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1718

Anna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1726

Anna ROTTER Necasanitz, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1713

Anna Barbara ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Barbara ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1739

Anna Barbara ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Barbara ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Anna Barbara ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Barbara ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Anna Barbara ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Catharina ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1738

Anna Catharina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1742

Anna Catharina ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1738

Anna Catharina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1742

Anna Catharina ROTTER Bieskau, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Catharina ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1745

Anna Elisabetha ROTTER Bladen, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Johanna Veronica ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1736

Anna Magdalena ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Anna Maria ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Anna Maria ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1746

Anna Maria ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1743

Anna Maria ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Anna Maria Theresia ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Anna Marina ROTTER Langendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Anna Marina ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Anna Marina ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1738

Anna Marina ROTTER Langendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Anna Marina ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Anna Marina ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1738

Anna Rosina ROTTER Olbendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1741

Anna Rosina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Anna Rosina ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1731

Anton ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1741

Anton ROTTER Of, Sauerwitz, Sls, Preussen 1707

Anton Jacob ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1743

Anton Joseph ROTTER Nieder Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Antonia ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1745

Antonius ROTTER Of Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1701

Antonius Georgius ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1748

Balthasar ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Baltzer ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Barbara ROTTER Schwarzw., Wuerttemberg 1602

Catharina ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1739

Catharina ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Catharina ROTTER Radziunz, Schlesien, Preussen 1695

Catharina ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1733

Catharina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1724

Catharina ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1739

Catharina ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1726

Catharina ROTTER Olbendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Catharina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1724

Catharina ROTTER Radziunz, Schlesien, Preussen 1695

Christina ROTTER Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1651

Christoph ROTTER Neukemnitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1691

Christophorus ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Franciscus Ignatius ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1747

Frantz ROTTER Necasanitz, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1705

Frantz ROTTER Necasanitz, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1708

Frantz Anton ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1741

Franz Joseph ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1738

Georg ROTTER Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1650

Hans ROTTER Ludwigsdorf, Silesia, Preussen 1690

Hedwig ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1736

Joannes ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1746

Joannes ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Joannes ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1746

Joannes ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1717

Franciscus Carolum ROTTER Bladen, Schlesien, Preussen 1743

Joannes Georgius ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1732

Joannes Michael ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Joannes Michael ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1733

Johann Anton ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1743

Johann Caspar ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1737

Johann Caspar ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Johann Christoph ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1739

Johann Joseph ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1743

Johann Joseph ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1742

Johann Joseph ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1743

Johannes ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Johannes ROTTER Nieder Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1737

Johannes ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Johannes ROTTER Olbendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Johannes Carolus ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Johannes Carolus ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1747

Johannes Carolus ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Johannes Carolus ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1747

Johannes Georgius ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Joseph ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Joseph ROTTER Neukemnitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1694

Joseph ROTTER Oberlangendorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1734

Joseph Anton ROTTER Nieder Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1740

Josephus ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1725

Josephy ROTTER Nieder Langen, Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Margretha ROTTER Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1655

Maria ROTTER Germany 1693

Maria ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1745

Maria Magdalena ROTTER Ziegenhals, Schlesien, Preussen 1746

Marina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1659

Marina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1708

Marina ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1737

Marina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1714

Marina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1659

Marina ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1723

Marina ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1714

Martin ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1744

Martin ROTTER Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1652

Melchior ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1748

Michael ROTTER Ober Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Michael ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1746

Rosina ROTTER Nieder Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Rosina ROTTER Neustift, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1727

Rosina ROTTER Nieder Dirsdorf, Schlesien, Preussen 1749

Susanna ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1735

Susanna ROTTER Necasanitz, Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1695

Susanna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Susanna ROTTER

Susanna ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1722

Susannam ROTTER

Thomas ROTTER Schlesien, Preussen 1662

Thomass ROTTER Rackelwitz, Schlesien, Preussen 1720

Thomass ROTTER Leobschuetz, Schlesien, Preussen 1656

Johann Anton ROTTER OR ROTHER Niedersteine, Sil, Preussen 1749

In the 9 th issue (Summer 1993) I printed a German document with no translation. This is an attempt at translating that Document.

ENGLISH Translation

Roetter, Georg. born Alfershausen 22. October 1640, died Dornhausen 29. April 1695. Father : clergyman. Immatrikuliert 4.January 1662 Witt (Wittenberg?) (He served in) Hoettingen and until the end of August in Dornhausen (14.3.Eid) where he also died. He was married to Rosina, who died after him. They left 9 children. ( 2424 )

Roetter, Johann Jakob Wilhelm (Rotter) born September 10. 1737 in Heidenheim, died February 2.1821 in Illenschwang. Father : Mich.(Michael) magistrate (probably "Buergermeister") Mother : Kolb, parsons daughter from Steinhart. 10.April 1756 in Helmst.(Helmstedt?) October 4. 1772 ordained in Ansb. (Ansbach) 1772 Adjunct (assistent) in Illenschwang. 28. March 1773 Illenschwang, [probably clergyman there] 17.. also S., (possib. he also served there as S uperintendent). He died there, was married there too, and his wife died after him in 1793. ( 2425)

Roetter, Johann Stephan, born 1638 in Heideck, died 15.April 1712 Beyerberg. Father : Georg, butcher?) Mother : Barb.(ara?) - Immatrikuliert: WS (?) 1660 Leipzig, Sept.1.1661 Witt.(W.-enberg) 1665 (4.June,Eid)~?] Eckersmuehlen, 1666 Eysoelden (13.May inv.) [investiture?] September 1689 Beyerberg until his death. Married to Susanne Spiess, parsons daughter from Schwabach. At least 1 son. FE (4. January, 1665, f.25) (2426) L.: (Literature?) KDB Hipoltstein 62

Roetter, Johann Veit. born 10.December 1676 Eysoelden, died Altentruedingen 16. February 1737. Father : Johann Stephan, clergyman SS (S. Seminary?) 1692 immatrikuliert at Leipzig, 27. June 1692 in Wittenberg. Adjunct (assistent) March 1698 Altentruedingen and stayed there (probably as parson) from 1699 to his death. Married in Altentruedingen 1.March 1701 Sib.(Sibylle?) Kath.(erine) Wiedmann, parsons daughter from Gerolfingen. She died after him, and they left 7 sons and 4 daughters. ( 2427)

Roetter, Mathaeus. born 21.September 1642, died 17. March 1716 in Oberndorf. Father : Georg, Steiner. Immatrikuliert 1664 Strassb. (Strassburg), 30. July 1664 Witt.(W.-enberg) 1672 adjunct (assistent) 1673 Kerkhofen, 1686 Oberndorf, where he also died. Married in Kerkhofen, 29.July 1673 to Lor. (Loretta?) Schroeder, parsons daughter from Behringersdorf. FE (4.January 1672, folio 28) (2428)

Roetter, VEIT (Roeder, Roetler) born 1612/13 in Heideck, died 10/10/1676 in Alfershausen. Father : Johann Georg, burgher. immatrikuliert 25. April 1633 at Altdorf, 10. July in Strassburg and 5.July in Witt.(Wittenberg) 16, December ordiniert in Ansb.(Ansbach) 1638 (15.November until now) Alfershausen, 30.July 1675 dismissed for "violation" with his housekeeper. Was married: 1. with Maria Wurm, parsons daughter from Heideck, died 1671; 2. 29. November 1675 with Elizabeth Gemeinbauer, carpenters-widow from Alfershausen. -FE(15.December 1638, f. 97)

Immigrant Genealogical Society

As you will remember from last issue #12 I purchased copies of quite a lot of German Rader information. I have had a local German translator working on some of the articles. The following is one of over 50. If you wish to work on this project let me know which one you want first, you are invited to join the translation process.

From "Deutsches Familienarchiv" Band 31 page 144

Rohr from Schmalkalden (Reed or Cane) in Thueringia

When Barthol was 25 years old, one of the most spectacular marksmen festivals took place on the meadows of the parsonage, from October 10 through 14 in 1596. The meadows were located by the Auer-Gate (perhaps the entrance gate to the village near a creek) an der Stille.

102 of the marksmen who participated, arrived from out of town, while 37 of them were locals. About 80 townsmen - residents, equipped with canes [ shooting irons ], some had drums and many carried the flags of the city. They escorted the marksmen out to where the festivities took place. Four big tents decorated the festival-plaza. The Mayor Wilhelm Koenigsehe and Baltzer Merckel welcomed the festival procession and soon the competitive shooting began. Awards were passed out on the last day and then everyone was invited for a drink and some light refreshments at the city hall. The participants filled 17 tables. At first a barrel of Goettinger beer was opened and then wine was offered to everyone's fullest satisfaction. This shooting competition cost the city 80 Gulden.

In 1590 villagers from Fambach and Breitungen came into the city to celebrate Carnival Time (Mardi Gras) beginning with Monday. They performed a sword dance again the next day, there was another one performed by dancers from Aue and Trusen. The wool weavers and apprentices demonstrated a dance with hoops. In 1604 on Mardi Gras Tuesday, 16 young journeymen from Schnellbach, Struth, Floh and Seligental visited and pulled the plow and danced with the rope, which earned them many gratuities. Our Barthold was 10 years old, in 1581, when a tightrope walker came to town and performed his art. He moved on the rope from the high church steeple down to the market place. The spectators felt "a pleasant horror".

On the old market place the Landgraf (landlord) Moritz had organized the "Fastnachtsstechen", which is a carnival play. 12 of the most respectable citizens were selected. They were seated 2 on a horse and rode with either white or red markings on the old market place right in front of the city hall. The object was to unseat the opponent. The spectators were amused by a the colorful procession of well known young men, as they unseated each other until 4 winners remained. Participants were Vincenz Marold, Georg Clemen, Valten Wild, Gigmund Clemen, Hans Rohr d.J., Hans Franckenberger, and the opponents were Bastian Haas, Jacob Duchscherer d.J., Hans Clemen, who was called David, Velten Schmaz d. J., Reinhard Clemen, and Caspar Roeder, who also were accompanied by two jesters.

The Landgraf (landlord) Moritz and his entourage watched the foolish play from the city hall balcony with amusement. The nobility toasted the council members and vice versa, and all became rather happy. Another welcome entertainment for the Schmalkalder was a ball game, which the Landgraf arranged to be held at the old market place in 1597. Even more of an excitement was introduced in 1603 by a man from Eisleben, when the city council gave permission for a "good luck" (lotto) game to be held at the guesthouse Krone. 41 300 lottery tickets were sold and 7 000 winners were counted.

Occasional visits by the Princes from the courts of Hessia, Henneberg, and Saxony brought a change of pace into the life of the city. Earl Boppo came from Burgbreitungen to enjoy hunting in Schmalkalden, so did his brother Georg Ernst, the last in the line of the Henneberger's. Georg Ernst was very fond of the beautiful forests and the plentiful hunting grounds, he was often seen in this area, even if not as regularly as later Landgraf (Land lord) Wilhelm would, who rarely let an opportunity pass by that he not pay regular visits to the city, especially after 1583, when he became heir of the Henneberg. Into this time belong the exciting hunting party for bears, which in those days in the 16th century were still to be found in the area. At the end of July 1584 Wilhelm was able to hunt down five bears, two old and three young ones. Successful Bearhunts in Schmalkalden followed in the years of 1585, 1587, 1588, 1592, 1594. There were also plenty of wolves in the area.

Part of the drama that took place were public executions. A new gallows '"am Rossberg" was inaugurated in 1566, under much observance of traditional rules and costumes. This was to replace the original such structure. Ten year later it had to be replaced again by a new one of sturdy oak wood. It was initiated three days later, when two thieves were hanged. Even this gallows was soon dilapidated enough that the executioner did not feel safe to climb it any more. Therefore a new one was erected on 16th of October 1590. This time not am Rossberg, but besides the road, close to the 'Sondersiechenhaus' (some kind of infirmary for specially ill people = maybe hopeless cases). Twelve days later, for the first time, it would be "decorated" with a thief. This is the gallows which you can see in the fore ground on the drawing by Dillich. (DFA, vol 27, page 166.j) You can also clearly see the double walls with fortifications and both of the mighty towers of the Auer-gate, which could almost be called gate-castle. The whole is is dwarfed by the Stadtkirche [the city church] and the Wilhelmsburg,

[W.castle] with its ornate renaissance gables.

Within 30 years, 20 executions took place, mostly by hanging on the gallows. Off and on, a thief would be "pardoned" to death by the sword. One, who had tried to poison his wife was beheaded by sword, an arsonist was burned to death and a woman convicted of infanticide was drowned at the Schwemmbruecke (bridge) at the Weidenbrunner gate. Forger (coiner) were broken on the wheel or burned at the stake. So, in 1600 Philip Leib and Christoph Katzung who both counterfeited were burned, and their companion Heinz Roeder was beheaded. All three came from families in town with very fine reputations.

The wedding of Amtmann (mayor) Hermann von Wersebe which took place in 1596, started in the afternoon of February 28 with the arrival of the bride Anna von Berlepsch and her entourage. It turned into a public merry making. The bridegroom, accompanied by his family rode out, to meet them. From the Auer Gate to the castle, the citizenry lined the roads. Right after their arrival, the pair was joined by the reverend Caspar Herrenschwager. The wedding ceremony was followed by the customary celebration of the nuptials. Bride and groom together were put in a public bed, which was prepared for the purpose, but were soon released again. After this there was the a banquet for all from 7 o'clock to midnight. The wedding festivities lasted 4 days.

This is the second in a series over 100 "Rader Stories" reprinted from The Descendants of ADAM AND ANNA MARIA RÖDER - JOHANN ADAM AND KATHARINA (TAUBER) RÖDER With the kind permission of Dr. William A. Rader and June L. (Hudnut) Rader (This book is available from them at 4638 Bay Shore Rd. Sarasota, FL 34234-4526)

EARLY TRAVELERS AND SETTLERS IN THE SHENANDOAH Valley

In 1732 Jost Hite (the original land broker of the Shenandoah Valley) and his three sons-in-law and their families, together with a small band of people (sixteen in all) moved from Pennsylvania to the northwest part of Virginia. That year, the "Valley" finally began to develop to an appreciable extent. The trail they took From York, PA crossed the Potomac River about two miles north of Harpers Ferry. They then followed Indian trails that were used by both the southern and northern Indians to hunt buffalo, deer and other game in the "Valley Shendo". This route probably was one the RADERS and PAINTERS used to get to the Timberville area thirteen or so years later. This trail became very famous and known by many names, among which were the "Great Gray Trail" the "Great Road", and the "Valley Road", and is roughly where U.S. Route 11 winds its way through the Shenandoah Valley today. It was used by both the North and South during the Civil War. The "Valley" was [and is] known as a "beautiful rolling land, fertile, part timbered, part plains." The area around Timberville reminds one of Mutterstadt in Germany where the Rhine River and Rhine Valley lie between mountains on each side. In the Shenandoah Valley, the Allegheny Range lies to the west, the Blue Ridge Mountains to the east, with the Shenandoah River flowing through the valley between them.

It was soon found by this small group of people who located in Shenandoah Valley of Virginia that it was necessary to have protection from the Indians. Consequently, Fort Run was built ca 1730 and was near the RADER home which was built ca 1744. The Fort remained standing until it was demolished by a tornado in 1953. This storm also destroyed part of the roof of the old RADER house and caused its ultimate ruin.

It was not until Braddock's defeat in 1755 that Indian raids became less frequent, but they did not cease until 1774. Until that time the Indians carried destruction and death into the Shenandoah Valley to within a few miles west of Staunton, VA. Many Germans were slaughtered or kidnapped. Despair forced survivors to take up arms in self-defense. It may be that JOHN and possibly SAMUEL, two sons of ADAM and ANNA BARBARA RADER, were killed by Indians, as they were not in ADAM'S will.

THE ECONOMY IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY IN THE MIDDLE 1700s.

The principal crops raised in the Valley in 1764 were wheat, corn, rye, barley, oats, flax and cotton. Some crops were raised as early as 1747. Until the Revolutionary War, Augusta County records show that hides from wolves, deer, elk, beaver and black fox were a considerable source of revenue. These records also show that buffalo hides and timber were not of much value 1759 due to their abundance. Timber was so plentiful that it influenced the naming of two towns in the area; Timberville and Forestville. The farmers had horses and cattle in large numbers.

"The Scotch-Irish were predominant in Augusta [present Rockigham and Rockbridge Counties] until 1750, when the Germans gained ascendancy in Rockingham County. Nearly every German Family came from good sound stock".

An interesting story about an incident involving two Moravian missionaries and ADAM RADER is told in Wayland's "The History of the Shenandoah Valley", p 88: "In July 1748 Joseph Spangonberg and Mathew Reutz, having come over From Maryland and gone up the South Branch [of the Shenandoah River] and beyond as far as Hot Springs, came back and crossed over into the Valley from Fort Seybert region, coming out eventually through Brock's Gap. Following are extracts from their Journal, written in the third person:

"On July 25th they left the South Branch and began to climb the remarkably high mountains called the North Ridge, which are the Kittidame or Endless Mountains ... For an hour and a half they climbed the very steep ascent, but when they reached the top they surveyed in every direction an exceedingly wide region, and it seemed to them as if the whole earth were at their feet. On account of its remarkable height, they called the mountain Prince Peak. In passing over the top and in the descent they spent four full hours. As it was evening and they missed the road, they happened to strike an elk trail which took them between two mountains. Here they spent the night, hungry and thirsty, encamped at their fire. They were frequently visited by elks, which are numerous in these mountains.

"On the following morning , July 26th, they came to a marked path. It brought them to a salt lick which is frequented by elks and then they are usually shot by hunters. A kind spirit led them to the right way, by which they continued their journey, till they came in the evening to a German Plantation. Here ADAM ROEDER lives whose mother, eighty six years of age, [this should be sixty-eight years ,the published numbers were transposed] lives in Makuntsche, and belongs to that congregation.:" [Makuntsche was probably Macungie, now Emmaus, in Lehigh Co., PA. "ADAM ROEDER" was ADAM RADER who lived about two miles west of the RADER Church, which is one mile west of Timberville, Rockingham Co. The Fairfax Line, surveyed less than two years before, was only a few miles to the northwest.]

Between 1745 and the time of his death in 1773, ADAM RADER owned upwards of 1500 acres of land. This can be verified in about 60 land transactions in Chalkley's three volumes of Augusta Co. records. The earliest transactions are found in the form of surveys and are in the Augusta Co. Survey Book I. This record alone involves over 600 acres which were recorded between 1747 and 1753. In 1747 an additional 300 acres in two parcels, one 200 acres, and one 100 acres, were acquired by purchase from the Commonwealth of Virginia. This is on record in the Virginia State Library; specifically, Patents 28, 1746-1749, reel 26, pages 602-604. These three pages of records are worthy of framing. They measure 15-1/2 inches by 2O 1/2 inches and were beautifully written about thirty years before the Declaration of Independence. Two additional parcels of land were surveyed in Augusta Co., VA in 1749. (See page 41.)

Records also show ADAM RADER leased 400 acres of land from Cornelius Robinson on Fort Run sometime before March 1751, at which time he purchased the land for 60 pounds. This land was first patented to Charles Robinson, father of Cornelius, on March 15, 1744. The deed to ADAM RADER mentions existing houses, barns, orchards, gardens, woodlands, etc.' Whether Mr. Robinson or Mr. RADER built the house has never been determined, however, most historians believe the house was built ca 1744.

The ADAM RADER PLANTATION HOUSE NEAR TIMBERVILLE. VIRGINIA

"This house is unique since it has a half-basement two floors living space and a large attic encompassing the entire area above the second Floor.

"The site of the house was well chosen, facing Fort Run and watered by a large spring. The house is about two miles west Timberville. Fort Run was built about 1730 to protect the early settlers from the Indians.

"This house is exceptionally large, especially since most houses built at that time were only one and two-room log houses. The following description will give a person an idea of what it was like:

"The house was built of huge logs, chinked with limestone and mortar, built into a bank of dirt, so that when one approached the house it appeared to be a three-storied structure. It was well proportioned, and extremely well built with a large limestone chimney on each end of the house, each was skillfully laid and capped. The basement is only half excavated, having only one room. The V-foundation of the south fireplace is here very evident. This basement room has only one door that is located in front of the house, on the ground level, with two windows, one on each side of the door and each with hand-hewn wooden "bars". It is thought there was a spring in the basement at one time. This would have been very clever as it could have been used as a "cooler" for food stored in the basement.

"The first floor was divided into three rooms. The south side had two rooms, with half of the V-shaped fireplace opening into each room. The north side had a large room, with the fireplace and enclosed stairs taking most of the wall. The walls were plastered and had chair rails. The fireplace mantels were hand-carved, put together with wooden pegs and were painted. There were several "built in" shelves in the walls, one ideally located for a clock. The only wall not plastered was the north fireplace wall. It was beautifully panelled and presented an extreme contrast to the rest of the house. There was a large door opening onto the front porch that extended across the front of the house with an over hanging roof. There was also a rear door that led out on a porch at ground level, which was also covered. The rear door opened out to a large fireplace chimney that was probably the kitchen at one time.

"The second floor was divided into two large sections. Across the front of the house was one large room believed to have been a meeting room for church activities since there were no Reformed churches in the area at the time this house was built. The back side of the second floor was divided into three rooms, with a hall between the large front room and the bedrooms. There were no fireplaces on the second floor. The state of the house in 1987 is deplorable. The upper half of the structure, including the entire second floor and ceiling to the first floor, has decayed and has fallen onto the ground floor. The front and back porches are gone, and the floor on the ground level is in such condition that it is unsafe to walk upon."

Once on top of the hill to the southwest of the house a person has a beautiful view of the Blue Ridge Mountains to the east and the Allegheny Mountains to the west, an overview of the house and the plantation property. Looking south, there is a panorama of a large part of the Shenandoah Valley, framed by the mountains on each side. Here there is evidence of a small cemetery. This is believed to be the RADER family cemetery. There are broken headstones strewn on the ground; however, no names are in evidence. There is one known headstone in existence from this cemetery: for HARVEY RADER, born June 26, 1829, died December 27, 1836. ADAM and ANNA BARBARA ROEDER are believed to be buried in this cemetery.

There is an old mill about a mile northeast of the old RADER house which is believed to be one once operated by the RADER family. Across from the mill, located on a small hill above a creek in a "thicket", is a small house that has three rooms on the ground Floor, with a huge fireplace in back attached to the back of the house by a large hall-like room. The second floor also has three rooms. This house is possibly ADAM RADER'S, son of ADAM and ANNA BARBARA, who administered the estate of ADAM and was requested to care of his mother, ANNA BARBARA, following ADAM'S (her husband's) death.

Queries

Kathi Sittner of 682 18 th Ave., Salt Lake City, UT

Did want you to know that the book The Family of George and Ann Crisp Howlett of Suffolk England, 1802 is her's. Her previous married name was Boice.

Did you Know ?

That in 1798 there was a Federal Real Estate Tax. The federal government did not trust the local Tax collectors so they hired their own. These tax collectors wrote a description of the land and the improvements on every piece of property in the country. Have you seen any of these descriptions ?

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